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Old Jun 30, 2021 | 09:19 AM
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So I take one of the rockers off and as I lift it up the pushrod and lifter come up and when I go to put it back on the lifter must not of dropped back down. As I tighten it up I notice the valve is opening way more than the lift of the cam. Any ideas as to what's happened here? This is a 60000 mile stock 98 ls1. Thanks

Could the lifter of rotated? Aren't there tie bars or something to prevent that? Could the roller of dropped out and wedged? Guess I should of just left it alone. It was running great.

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cam lift X rocker ratio=valve lift...or there abouts...

Lifters cant(shouldnt be able to) rotate unless the lifter tray is broken.
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Old Jun 30, 2021 | 04:59 PM
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So I take one of the rockers off and as I lift it up the pushrod and lifter come up and when I go to put it back on the lifter must not of dropped back down. As I tighten it up I notice the valve is opening way more than the lift of the cam. Any ideas as to what's happened here? This is a 60000 mile stock 98 ls1. Thanks

Could the lifter of rotated? Aren't there tie bars or something to prevent that? Could the roller of dropped out and wedged? Guess I should of just left it alone. It was running great.
If you still have lifter trays, if they're intact, I don't see how the lifter could've come up with the pushrod!! If it was running great, the lifter couldn't have rotated.....
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Old Jun 30, 2021 | 05:36 PM
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So I take one of the rockers off and as I lift it up the pushrod and lifter come up and when I go to put it back on the lifter must not of dropped back down. As I tighten it up I notice the valve is opening way more than the lift of the cam. Any ideas as to what's happened here? This is a 60000 mile stock 98 ls1. Thanks

Could the lifter of rotated? Aren't there tie bars or something to prevent that? Could the roller of dropped out and wedged? Guess I should of just left it alone. It was running great.
sorry for the bad news but if it did not go back in which im 100% it didnt i. start taking the heads off. no scene in scratch your head it happened **** happens. i hope thats not the problem but o well. buddy and i finch up putting engine in a 1970 442 cutlass everything was done all we had to do was put distributor in. back then the distributor had a shaft that sad on a shaft from the cam. but you had to hold it to get it on the gear. yeap he dropped it in we had to take it all out and open oil pan to get to it. i don't know if ur familiar with distributes. if not google it. what i'm getting at is your not the only one.
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Thanks for the replies, I'm going to get a look down in there with one of those bore scopes. Maybe that will reveal something.
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So if the trays are broken, What is the recommended fix. Are there different trays or a better set up where that's not a concern
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So if the trays are broken, What is the recommended fix. Are there different trays or a better set up where that's not a concern
ls2 for the win. I would try to manipulate the lifter with a magnet if u can see to guide back in the hole. I would take a few hrs to try that then tearing the engine apart. But u problem go to the golf range and try to hit a hole in one at 200yrs

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The lifters are roller/hydraulic. If the car ran fine when you shut down, then it is unlikely the tray failed and the lifter rotated. These lifters pre-load about 1/16 inch, so it is possible that the lifter won’t compress. What I suggest is to get a pushrod length check tool and see how this particular valve compares with a nearby valve.

If you live near me, I can loan you mine and show you how to use it. At least this way you will know where you are mechanically.
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[QUOTE]These lifters pre-load about 1/16 inch, so it is possible that the lifter won’t compress. /[QUOTE]

For some reason that lifter compressed very slowly. I was just tightening with a ratchet and when I saw what looked like coil bind I backed off immediately. I was certain there was something wrong, cause thats my luck. So tightening a little and then waiting and then tightening did the trick. Thank you for keeping me from tearing it all apart. It is back together and running just as before.
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[QUOTE=southman;1603688620][QUOTE]These lifters pre-load about 1/16 inch, so it is possible that the lifter won’t compress. /

For some reason that lifter compressed very slowly. I was just tightening with a ratchet and when I saw what looked like coil bind I backed off immediately. I was certain there was something wrong, cause thats my luck. So tightening a little and then waiting and then tightening did the trick. Thank you for keeping me from tearing it all apart. It is back together and running just as before.
Nice
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[QUOTE=southman;1603688620][QUOTE]These lifters pre-load about 1/16 inch, so it is possible that the lifter won’t compress. /

For some reason that lifter compressed very slowly. I was just tightening with a ratchet and when I saw what looked like coil bind I backed off immediately. I was certain there was something wrong, cause thats my luck. So tightening a little and then waiting and then tightening did the trick. Thank you for keeping me from tearing it all apart. It is back together and running just as before.
Great!! We're glad to hear it. The lifter collapses/compresses slowly. I remember on the original SBC that when you tightened the adjustable rockers, the engine stumbled slightly until the lifter bled down, and proper preload was attained........
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