Question about the Vararam intake?
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (rfgoss1)
That wasn't the point of the question or the response. The question was did the VR outperform an aftermarket intake? Bottom pick up's do not get air from the engine compartment, they get it from the air coming under the car. Typically you would assume that this is cold air. The problem is that water can come in that way also.
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (northernvette)
There are guys who have gained over other intakes, as rfgoss1 says, the posts are out there. They have stated the specifics...some will never believe it because they own another intake already and wouldn't switch for a small gain...but, winning is only by fractions of seconds at the track as it is...but, someone has to be the winner, right.:):cheers:
If you slowed down, then there is a problem and the manufacturer will help you fix it if you'll call them, or refund your money per there guarantee. You buy from us and the same guarantee applies.
If you have a head/cam package car, then you need to have the right filter and that, as well, can be worked out with the manufacturer.:) The K&N brand used on SOME that were sold early(not by us) in there isn't the best peformer.
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Cold air rules!!
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[Modified by RG in Dallas, 10:01 AM 12/30/2002]
If you slowed down, then there is a problem and the manufacturer will help you fix it if you'll call them, or refund your money per there guarantee. You buy from us and the same guarantee applies.
If you have a head/cam package car, then you need to have the right filter and that, as well, can be worked out with the manufacturer.:) The K&N brand used on SOME that were sold early(not by us) in there isn't the best peformer.
:)
Cold air rules!!
RG
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (RG in Dallas)
Give me a break RG. My trials and tribulations have been well documented here, it didn't work for me and I have heard of many other cases where it didn't work for others (who switched from an aftermarket to a VR) . I don't know their story, but I do know mine. Do a search if you can't remember. :cheers:
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (northernvette)
Give me a break RG. My trials and tribulations have been well documented here, it didn't work for me and I have heard of many other cases where it didn't work for others (who switched from an aftermarket to a VR) . I don't know their story, but I do know mine. Do a search if you can't remember. :cheers:
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (indypace78)
hcvone has said many, many times, he dynoed all and the VR was tops...maybe we'll see some hard data posted by him to show the differences...he's done a bunch of different intakes and headers as well.
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (RG in Dallas)
hcvone has said many, many times, he dynoed all and the VR was tops...maybe we'll see some hard data posted by him to show the differences...he's done a bunch of different intakes and headers as well.
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How does the above jive with other posts where the car needs to be moving to get that full "ram air" effect?
Why would it dyno higher without that "ram air effect?"
Is it "laminar" flow, like the old Haltech TRICs? Or the fans in front of the car at the dyno?
Also, regarding your refund policy if the Vararam doesn't work out for a customer, good to hear, but is there a "restocking fee?" And, how is the return shipping cost handled?
Cheers! :cheers:
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (EHS)
hcvone has said many, many times, he dynoed all and the VR was tops...maybe we'll see some hard data posted by him to show the differences...he's done a bunch of different intakes and headers as well.
RG
RG --
How does the above jive with other posts where the car needs to be moving to get that full "ram air" effect?
Why would it dyno higher without that "ram air effect?"
Is it "laminar" flow, like the old Haltech TRICs? Or the fans in front of the car at the dyno?
Also, regarding your refund policy if the Vararam doesn't work out for a customer, good to hear, but is there a "restocking fee?" And, how is the return shipping cost handled?
Cheers! :cheers:
RG
RG --
How does the above jive with other posts where the car needs to be moving to get that full "ram air" effect?
Why would it dyno higher without that "ram air effect?"
Is it "laminar" flow, like the old Haltech TRICs? Or the fans in front of the car at the dyno?
Also, regarding your refund policy if the Vararam doesn't work out for a customer, good to hear, but is there a "restocking fee?" And, how is the return shipping cost handled?
Cheers! :cheers:
No restocking fee...check VR's website for all the details.
The VR sells well as do the others, the BW and Vortex, so, it's really up to the customer to decide based on what they want.:)
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (northernvette)
That wasn't the point of the question or the response. The question was did the VR outperform an aftermarket intake? Bottom pick up's do not get air from the engine compartment, they get it from the air coming under the car. Typically you would assume that this is cold air. The problem is that water can come in that way also.
RandyGoss, official hypster of the VR. Three posts so far and there will be more! :rolleyes: :lol: Bottom line is, it slowed my car down, I got better results from another Brand. No hyping brands here, just telling it like it is. :cheers:
RandyGoss, official hypster of the VR. Three posts so far and there will be more! :rolleyes: :lol: Bottom line is, it slowed my car down, I got better results from another Brand. No hyping brands here, just telling it like it is. :cheers:
But I don't get paid by VR, I paid for my product, I did not get it free, so technically, I can't be a hypester. I am enthusiastic because of my results and the responsiveness of the vendor. When the president of the company calls you because you don't express complete happiness with the product, then you tend to feel good about them. At least when he sends you a replacement product designed to your specs and you get 32 pounds of torque. When someone does that, I get enthusiastic.
What is wrong with that? I would bet that under similar circumstances, you would be enthusiastic as well. And if you lost power, you ought to talk to Patrick at VR. He will find out why and help you get what you need to be satisfied.
But either way, have a good new year.
Randy
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (rfgoss1)
I am enthusiastic because of my results and the responsiveness of the vendor. When the president of the company calls you because you don't express complete happiness with the product, then you tend to feel good about them. At least when he sends you a replacement product designed to your specs and you get 32 pounds of torque. When someone does that, I get enthusiastic.
I have yet to understand that fully. I asked once in another thread but I think the question got lost in the noise.
As I understand it, you actually LOST torque or hp when you put the vararam on your car, but then you talked to Patrick and he gave you a new filter element (?) that gave you 32 lbs of torque!!!???
Could you please explain again? I'm still not understanding...
A. What is the 32 lb gain from - stock? Another intake? The originaly vararam that lowered your hp/torque?
B. What was changed that gave you such a huge increase? Was it the element (foam filter) alone, or the entire assembly?
Thanks in advance!
[Modified by Tom Steele, 3:53 PM 12/30/2002]
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (rfgoss1)
rfgoss1, I was only making a point whats your deal?
From the looks of the Blackwing it dosent suck air from under the car but under the hood like the stock box. Am I wrong.
Where the VR takes in cold air. That's my point
From the looks of the Blackwing it dosent suck air from under the car but under the hood like the stock box. Am I wrong.
Where the VR takes in cold air. That's my point
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (Black_C5)
I'm a satisfied Vararam owner but I don't have any technical results to post. I was also impressed by the owner of the company spending 50 minutes on the phone answering my endless string of questions, some of them seemingly stupid. I do like that, when standing in front of the car and the accelerator is pressed, you not only hear the inrush of air but can feel it. The idea of air from outside of the vehicles perimeters entering the intake makes me feel that more is being accomplished. Simple but true. The install only took two hours but some improvising had to be done. Nothing major, just a little thought before action. The price was probably too high, but who am I to judge. Trying to figure out exactly what you want compared to what you need sometimes is stressful. Good Luck with your choices, and may you be content with your decisions.
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (Toyride)
I ran both a Halltech T-1 and a Vararam. With no other mods, I picked up .15 and 2 MPH on average. All runs had nearly identical 60-foot times, actually some were better w/ the Halltech. I don't think it was ram-air, just the fact that I was getting cold air with the Vararam and the Halltech wasn't. I also got caught in a torrential downpour driving home a few weeks ago, and had to drive through 6" of standing water. No problem at all :cheers: Email me if you need any more info, I don't feel like getting into a pissing contests with people who don't like the VR.
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (Tom Steele)
I am enthusiastic because of my results and the responsiveness of the vendor. When the president of the company calls you because you don't express complete happiness with the product, then you tend to feel good about them. At least when he sends you a replacement product designed to your specs and you get 32 pounds of torque. When someone does that, I get enthusiastic.
Randy,
I have yet to understand that fully. I asked once in another thread but I think the question got lost in the noise.
As I understand it, you actually LOST torque or hp when you put the vararam on your car, but then you talked to Patrick and he gave you a new filter element (?) that gave you 32 lbs of torque!!!???
Could you please explain again? I'm still not understanding...
A. What is the 32 lb gain from - stock? Another intake? The originaly vararam that lowered your hp/torque?
B. What was changed that gave you such a huge increase? Was it the element (foam filter) alone, or the entire assembly?
Thanks in advance!
[Modified by Tom Steele, 3:53 PM 12/30/2002]
Randy,
I have yet to understand that fully. I asked once in another thread but I think the question got lost in the noise.
As I understand it, you actually LOST torque or hp when you put the vararam on your car, but then you talked to Patrick and he gave you a new filter element (?) that gave you 32 lbs of torque!!!???
Could you please explain again? I'm still not understanding...
A. What is the 32 lb gain from - stock? Another intake? The originaly vararam that lowered your hp/torque?
B. What was changed that gave you such a huge increase? Was it the element (foam filter) alone, or the entire assembly?
Thanks in advance!
[Modified by Tom Steele, 3:53 PM 12/30/2002]
Here is the scenario. I had the MTI True Ram Air and although it did provide 13 RWHP over the stock Z06 airbox, I was always nervous when driving in the rain. In Houston, it floods a lot. After coming home from Ed Wright's in a downpour that had me praying just to get off the freeway and into a hotel, I decided to ante up for the VR. I had LGM install it and it netted me a few HP and lost a few TQ. I posted to that effect and one of the Dallas forum sponsors, I am really sorry that I can't remember whom it was, contacted VR. Patrick, the President called me and we talked about the specs of the mods I had done and he built a new filter that would create more Manifold Pressure. I installed it and couldn't believe the gains in tq. So I dyno'ed again and the pick up was amazing. I posted the details in an earlier post you can find if you do a search. I apologize that I don't have them at hand. So the bottom line was that the design of the filter created the increase in TQ. Patrick knew exactly why I had achieved the results and gave me an additional filter for free. I hope that answers your questions. The same assembly, just a new filter.
Regards
Randy
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Re: Question about the Vararam intake? (Black_C5)
rfgoss1, I was only making a point whats your deal?
From the looks of the Blackwing it dosent suck air from under the car but under the hood like the stock box. Am I wrong.
Where the VR takes in cold air. That's my point
From the looks of the Blackwing it dosent suck air from under the car but under the hood like the stock box. Am I wrong.
Where the VR takes in cold air. That's my point
I meant no disrespect and apologize if I offended you. My understanding of the Blackwing is that a hole is cut in the airbox to allow air in to the intake, but sometimes as in the MTI version, there is a hole in the bottom of the air box that feeds directly from beneath the car. I don't think that it is mandatory to have the hole, but it is believed to be more effective when you do that. Sorry for any confusion I might have created for you.
:cheers:
[Modified by rfgoss1, 11:30 PM 12/30/2002]