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Old Aug 11, 2023 | 04:18 PM
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I have a 1998 C5 auto. I have been getting intermittent issues when trying to start. I have changed the starter, it was original, put in a new ignition switch and a new TDR.

Now for the TDR I am getting 12v to the red wire, 12 volts to the yellow from the ignition when I try to start, no voltage to the purple and for
some reason the yellow and black wire is giving me 12 volts instead of a ground when I try to start. If I jump the red and purple the engine spins or may start but then immediately dies.

Anyone have any ideas what to try next?
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Verify if the Body Control Module ground the A1 side of the TDR relay.
The 12 volt measured on A1 of the TDR or the B7:C3 shall go from 12 volt to 0.1-0.2 volt when TDR energize IF the ground path of the BCM is okay


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Old Aug 11, 2023 | 06:50 PM
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Thanks for your help here.

I checked the yellow and I am getting .36 volts when the key is on and 12 volts when I try to start the car.

on the yellow and black I am getting .36v when the key is on and then also 12 volts when I try to start it.


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Measure voltage between TDR terminal A2 and a groundpoint .
When you press ignitionswitch to start the the relay should close contact between C1 -A2 if the relay is okay the 12volt on the red wire shall be connected to purple wire .
Since your car start when you jump RED and PUPLE wire the relay who is supposed this does not operating correct .
Maybe because of the relay or due to groundpath for TDR relay activating is not good ( voltage drops in groundloop)


I tested this on my car last year how the and I measured 0 volt and you seems to measure 0.36 volt and I am not sure your ground connection is 100% good.
If you set ignition key in ON and then in a short moment connect a ground wire to A1(yellow/black) the TDR should activate and your starter should spin a sesond if the relay is okay .
If the car start now , check the ground wire loop. The pictore below show a splicepoint causing similar problems to other people
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Bodycontrol module splicepoint (ground wire) above passenger footwell



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I tested A2 (the purple wire) and got 0 volts. I tried that with the key on and in the start position and I still get 0 volts at A2 purple.

I grounded A1 (the yellow/black wire) to the negative post on the battery, turned the key to start and then the engine spins, starts for second and then dies.

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To me it looks like the TDR relay activate and when you add an extra ground path to A1 term of the TDR relay .
I think the BCM is not grounding the A1 properly as it should .

Remove the TDR relay and put one meter lead in the A1 (black/yellow) and the other lead to a grounding point (I used passenger doorstep nearby)

The Meter is set to resistance measurement . When you move the ignitionkey to start the restistance shall change from a high value (I measured 3 M ohm) to zero ohm.
I measured values shown below when I verified this last year on my own car .

Please report back your restistance values , If the value does not drops to zero by the BodyControl Module this may be your problem .









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Thank you so much for the help. It ended up being the relay and the VATS system. I got the right resistance wires in and it works now.

thanks again!
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Thanks for your feeedback and well done
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