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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 08:50 AM
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I have Corsa Extreme with manifolds and H pipe. To be honest I want it a notch louder I'm not chasing horsepower. I talked to a guy about just removing the cats and fabricating a catless kit and adding a X pipe and tune. He wants $1600 seems like a lot but this guy will do it right.
Doing it, and doing it right are, sadly, two different things. A good tune in my area runs $500-$600. IDK prices for a quality X-pipe in 2023, but my stainless Kooks 3" X-pipe was about $350.00 in 2005. I'm guessing here, but they're probably around $500-$600 in 2023. Even if they're still $350.00, add that to $550.00, and you're almost to $1,000.00. Then there's labor, which many shops charge $125/hour, and more. However, most all X-pipes are made to bolt to headers, so there will be extra labor to make up a "kit." IDK what year C5 you have, but the 2001 and later exhaust manifolds are a bit superior in flow compared to the '97-'00 models, so you may want to seek out the later manifolds if you don't already have them. So, $1,600.00 to do it right is a fair price in my book.......
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 09:31 AM
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Doing it, and doing it right are, sadly, two different things. A good tune in my area runs $500-$600. IDK prices for a quality X-pipe in 2023, but my stainless Kooks 3" X-pipe was about $350.00 in 2005. I'm guessing here, but they're probably around $500-$600 in 2023. Even if they're still $350.00, add that to $550.00, and you're almost to $1,000.00. Then there's labor, which many shops charge $125/hour, and more. However, most all X-pipes are made to bolt to headers, so there will be extra labor to make up a "kit." IDK what year C5 you have, but the 2001 and later exhaust manifolds are a bit superior in flow compared to the '97-'00 models, so you may want to seek out the later manifolds if you don't already have them. So, $1,600.00 to do it right is a fair price in my book.......
Ok, now I need to decide if I want to spend $1600 just to make it sound better. Would you?
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 11:50 AM
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by oktx
I have Corsa Extreme with manifolds and H pipe. To be honest I want it a notch louder I'm not chasing horsepower. I talked to a guy about just removing the cats and fabricating a catless kit and adding a X pipe and tune. He wants $1600 seems like a lot but this guy will do it right.
You could buy a set of headers and x pipe from Speed Engineering for a lot less.
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by oktx
Ok, now I need to decide if I want to spend $1600 just to make it sound better. Would you?
The tune will add power, so will having no cats. No cats might pick up 10hp, tune may pick up 25-30hp, for a total of 35-40hp. So it's not all for sounding better. As a matter of fact, I did what you're doing, but with the stock H-pipe. Tune made a huge difference. I went from 13.20s to 12.80s tune vs non tune. But I had a lot of other boltons. It all adds up. I also did it all myself, except the tune. I would probably pay the $1,600, but only if going for performance AND sound, which it appears you're doing. Best of luck......
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 12:43 PM
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As a result of adding headers, has anyone proactively installed a new starter? I read earlier that some replaced the GM starter with another, newer and better GM truck starter that was plug and play. I also read the smaller, aftermarket starters were not as good and although smaller, they did not last as long as the OEM starters.

Since I will be in there, I would rather replace the starter before I install the headers vs. later. New OEM, better than OEM, rebuilt OEM? Many options.
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 12:49 PM
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I would only replace a working starter if, your starter is one of the ones that came with unequal length bolts attaching the starter to the block. I am not sure when the unequal length bolts started and ended. I will be checking and changing mine next time the headers come off.

I have witnessed one that broke the starter pad off the block. Granted it was supercharged but it was under 90k miles.
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 93Polo
I would only replace a working starter if, your starter is one of the ones that came with unequal length bolts attaching the starter to the block. I am not sure when the unequal length bolts started and ended. I will be checking and changing mine next time the headers come off.

I have witnessed one that broke the starter pad off the block. Granted it was supercharged but it was under 90k miles.
I think that uneven length bolts issue was limited to the earlier C5 years. Mine is a 2004.
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 03:05 PM
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Id recommend Ceramic Coating to protect from heat, i got mine done through Jet-Hot and i personally love the look more than exhaust wrap.
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MSG C5
I think that uneven length bolts issue was limited to the earlier C5 years. Mine is a 2004.
My 02 had the uneven bolts
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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MSG C5
I think that uneven length bolts issue was limited to the earlier C5 years. Mine is a 2004.
The car that this happened to is a late '03 as it has the later fuel system.

However, the car had an engine rebuild at a shop that I don't trust very much. So, it may not be original to the car.
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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by hexlopez0415
Id recommend Ceramic Coating to protect from heat, i got mine done through Jet-Hot and i personally love the look more than exhaust wrap.
Jet hot, cerkoate, or swain coating are all solid options depending on goals and desired look.

I don't like wrapping headers especially on a street car as road debris gets trapped in the wrap. YMMV.
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