Short Throw Shifter ?
Instructor
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From: Port Orange Fl
Re: Short Throw Shifter ? (Maximillian2)
Took out the Hurst and modified the stock shifter, check archives, much better feel for me, and nearly as short a throw. you should really test drive if you can to see what you like.
Instructor
Joined: Nov 2002
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From: east greenbush ny
Re: Short Throw Shifter ? (M396 #00-011)
i cut nearly an inch off my stock stick and it throws great. miuch more precise, and no cost at all. just leave enough to thread your **** tight 1 :party:
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Melting Slicks
Joined: Dec 2002
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From: Middletown DE
Re: Short Throw Shifter ? (tom p)
I just cannot see how cutting the stock shaft is going to shorten the throw that much... that and the stock one does feel a bit sloppy to me.
I will do a search and see what i can find (i suck at searching)
Thanks for ALL the reply's!
I will do a search and see what i can find (i suck at searching)
Thanks for ALL the reply's!
Melting Slicks
Joined: Jan 2002
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From: kansas city MO
Re: Short Throw Shifter ? (99firetruck)
Modified stock :thumbs:
1) cut outer sleeve
2) remove rubber insulation
3) weld back the center core & tip w/ thread to accept shifter ball. (some peoples just thread the 2 end & bolt them back together)
Positive feel w/o the stiffness
1) cut outer sleeve
2) remove rubber insulation
3) weld back the center core & tip w/ thread to accept shifter ball. (some peoples just thread the 2 end & bolt them back together)
Positive feel w/o the stiffness
Le Mans Master
Joined: Feb 1999
Posts: 6,269
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From: Richmond Ca
Re: Short Throw Shifter ? (99firetruck)
I just cannot see how cutting the stock shaft is going to shorten the throw that much... that and the stock one does feel a bit sloppy to me.
I will do a search and see what i can find (i suck at searching)
Thanks for ALL the reply's!
I will do a search and see what i can find (i suck at searching)
Thanks for ALL the reply's!
The stock shifter has some bushing (or some other vibration insulation in the shaft) which isolates the feel of the gates (as well as any drive train vibration) from your hand. This is why those who have not really learned the shift pattern (committed it to muscle memory) have an occassional problem with 3rd gear. They are counting on feel rather than muscle memory.
So cutting the stock shaft WILL get you part of what the others give you a shorter throw. If you really work on learning the feel and pattern with the stock shifter you can learn to never miss a shift.
The B&M and other shifters are basically a solid shaft. They permit a more direct link between hand and linkage. The feel of the gates is not masked, (nor is any drive train vibration (ususally not an issue)). These usually have stronger centering springs so they are more forgiving to those who do not have the shift pattern learned to the point that it's automatic. :cheers:
[Modified by wwashing, 8:51 AM 4/2/2003]
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Drifting
Joined: Jul 2000
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From: Stockholm
Re: Short Throw Shifter ? (99firetruck)
Everything is better than the stock shifter giving you more feel in the shifts and more exact shift but ........... you will shift slower, you will need more effort to shift, using these extreme short shaft shifters will have you hate your shifter after 10laps of a race. The short shaft is more of a fashion/looks thing, the short shaft itself does not make anything better rather worse.
Look inside any race car using a stick shifter and you will find that the shifter have a long shaft:
I did not make my shifter that extreme, I made my B&M shifter shaft about 2 inch longer and I'm extremely happy with the result. I have very exact and fast shifts with minimal effort. No problem even after 60laps at the track.
I assume I'm going against the common thought about shifters on this forum so I have my flame suit on :D
:cheers:
[Modified by seanr, 6:41 PM 4/2/2003]
Look inside any race car using a stick shifter and you will find that the shifter have a long shaft:
I did not make my shifter that extreme, I made my B&M shifter shaft about 2 inch longer and I'm extremely happy with the result. I have very exact and fast shifts with minimal effort. No problem even after 60laps at the track.
I assume I'm going against the common thought about shifters on this forum so I have my flame suit on :D
:cheers:
[Modified by seanr, 6:41 PM 4/2/2003]
Racer
Joined: Jan 2003
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From: Newhall CA
Re: Short Throw Shifter ? (seanr)
The short shaft is more of a fashion/looks thing, the short shaft itself does not make anything better rather worse.
I installed a Hurst (LOVE IT!!!) and cut it down another .5" because I can't stand the truck feel. Now, I love the way it feels, but it is a lot harder to shift because every gear is a tactile snap. The stock one just slid right in - no effort = faster.
And absolutely YES to the noise level increasing. I can now hear the road/drivetrain noise a bit more because there is no seal now - the stock shifter has a rubber seal that inhibits the transfer of noise and temp to the cabin. Anyone who has a Hurst in a C5 is full of :bs if he/she says nothing changed (sound-wise) after they installed it - unless they fashioned some sort of seal for it. OR, their C5 was so noisy before they changed it that they can't tell the difference..... OR, they're too old to hear it :jester
My C5 was 4 weeks old when I installed the Hurst. I noticed the noise level increase (not rattling) DURING THE CRANKING OF THE ENGINE on the FIRST STARTUP AFTER THE CHANGE.
BUT, I still say DO IT! You'll love the feel!
- C5B
Burning Brakes
Joined: Oct 2001
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From: Dallas City IL
Re: Short Throw Shifter ? (wwashing)
Cutting the stock shaft will shorted the throw. That's all the after-market shifters are - a shortened shaft.
;)
Intermediate
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Carmichael CA
Re: Short Throw Shifter ? (99firetruck)
I found simply by changing the **** to a round, black billet ****, shifting was much more positive. Also, a tune with the Predator eliminated the CAGS which was also a major improvement. Of course, this didn't shorten the throw.
