:bs Why, IYHO, is the Blackwing a better system? The Vortex Rammer adds more power :cuss & even though the Vararam adds more power than either it is known to cause vapor lock.

:D Cary

 

:bs You went from 108.5 MPH in the 1/4 mile to 114.3 by adding nothing but a Blackwing and Borla Stingers ? Going from 108.5 to 114.3 would be equivalent to adding a good 50 hp. Some H/C packages will hardly give you fifty hp.

Cheers,

Mark

 

the 13.18 may have been in the summer and the 12.55 could have come in cooler weather, i don't know about the mph thingy. it can be done so no :bs i went from 13.13 to 12.89 in cooler weather :yesnod:

 

first geta blackwing and then LS1Edit.

Headers = headache

 

Granted weather conditions can have an impact on performance, but, 6 MPH in the 1/4 ? It must be the best Blackwing / Exhaust combo on earth to get 6 MPH in the 1/4.

Cheers,

Mark

 

Agreed.

 

there are issues with vortex system and after market maf sensors. if you;re going with a granatelli maf set up i wouldnt go with a vortex kit. black wings are good because the filiment size i larger. tho you only capture air from the engine compartment, there is air coming in from the bottom of the front fascia and air dam.

the vortex kit takes are coming up from the bottom of the air dam in much the same way, but it is more concentrated, however the filter filiment size is smaller....not enough to really make a difference in my opinion.

the vararam set up is a true ram air set up, the filter is 100% surrounded by the vararam shroud which collects in the stock openings in the front bumper. the problem with this is, at low speeds your filter is stiffled for air, ram air is only really a factor when you're at highway speeds or above.

in my opinion of all the intake set ups i've seen for nat. asp engines. the halltech tric is the best fair weather set up and the halltech cobra is the best all around set up.

k & n's single filter set up is good as well, but because the halltech curves to the side, you get colder air coming up from the inlets in the front bumper....

the k & n two sided intakes are crap, don't buy them!!! they create turbulance inside the intake and actually defeat the purpose of high flow intakes....

-evil :reddevil

 

How does the Vararam cause vaporlock? Is it the poor circulation/flow at low speeds?

 

Don't know about that but It did add 33rwhp and deducted about 30#'s. As I said the temps and humidity were very similar and the results were done at the same track. I did get a slightly better 60` 1.928 Vs. 1.977 but the MPH as you noted was signifigant. At least 4 Forum members were there during the runs Not that you were insinuating I'm a liar or anything :skep:

And I have backed those runs up with at leat 5 other 113.8-114.1 runs at 3 different tracks around the midwest. :cheers:

 

I'm certainly not calling you or anyone else a liar. I'm just surprised how extensive your MPH increase was. I thought that maybe you had a few mods in addition to your Blackwing and exhaust. If I can run anywhere near your times I will be very happy.

Mark

 

:cuss Its ashame we have so many doubters & haters on this CF. I know how it feels to have folks doubt my claims. Some of us are just fortunate to have a Vette that is fond of performance mods as evidenced by the high rwhp/rwtq gains. :chevy

 

Take your time . Mod Fever is hard to get rid of!!!! :cheers:

 

:iagree: i have dropped 6k since jan.03, hope my wife never finds out.

 

I have a 99 hardtop and I have the Vortex installed. I am happy with the Vortex and have driven it in the heaviest of rainstorm in my life and there was no "hydro lock" problems, not even a wet filter! I drove it on the freeway at 65 mph behind cars and through standing water. But I think Vararam makes the most HP and in Vararams own ad, it rates the vortex 2nd in hp gains. The Blackwing would APPEAR to have a slight edge off the line because of it's air volume and the Vortex would have the advantage after the speed picks up. This is just my observation. Actually any of the three would be a good choice depends on what you plan to do with the car.
autocross or roadrace I would go to a Ram system. Everyday a Blacwing will suffice. Remember a Blackwing is not a true cold air system.

you would do good to purchase a LS-6 intake or wait for the new intake that LG is going to have a group price on. The LS-6 intake was a noticable gain on my car and the LG is supposed to be better. Or you can wait and I might have a a LS-6 intake for sale with only 500 miles on it.. :D .

As far as exhaust goes, everyone has their own tastes as far as loudness and sound is concerned, so make your own choice there.

:steering:

 

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Hey DocSandy,

I knew somebody would comment on my Vararam comparison. However, you missed my point or I'm guilty of not expalining properly. Out of all the aftermarket Intake systems the Vararam is the only one I've heard of causing vapor lock. However, I do think the Vararam has been mentioned is this thread on previous post. So, my comparison was not completely out of context. I may get flamed for saying this but I've heard that the Vararam adds the most power with the Vortex Rammer Intake coming in 2nd. I did post previously that the Blackwing is easier to install/get to the filter and is probably less expensive than either the Vararam or Vortex Rammer.

Cary

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:iagree:

I understood what carey was trying to say: He was just stateing that the Vortex has its intake tract up higher than the Vararam so the hydrolock was much less likely to occur, but still possible. I have used K&N filters since the early 70's on my dirtbikes running "open elements", meaning no airboxes on a 69 Yamaha Ct-175, Yamha 73 RD 350 street bike, and 76 Yamaha TT-500.
As long as you use the the "red" filter oil, there is absolutely no way water will get in unless you completely submerge the filter. The oil repels the water very well. Yes the Vortex uses a K&N type filter and oil.

 

I'm still very curious about the vapor lock, though. I don't want to be stuck somewhere for a few hours having to let the engine cool down or have to blow out the lines.

 

Hey Scubanme, thanks! Well said, too :thumbs:

- Cary

 

The Vararam dual inlet openings are closer to the ground than most aftermarket intakes, which in standing deep water would be susceptible to vapor lock. However, I'm not knocking this system & have heard many positive reports from those with Vararam equipped Vettes. The low & forward placement allows for higher volume of intake air which results in such good performance results. Actually, if my C5 was not a daily driver I would have chosen the Vararam.

Is your C5 a daily driver, too? If not, I would certainly consider the Vararam on the otherhand if you do not drive your C5 in standing water up to headlights you might still consider the Vararam.

Good luck w/mod fever :lol:

- Cary