Just installed their 700E Mega Raptor last week W/ their 3600 custom 3clutch converter and guess what??? This is their level 5 and rated at 700rwhp/700rwtq tranny.
Installed with Royal Purple fluid as they recommended and it would not make a 1-2 shift without going straight to rev limiter which is set at 6600.
made several attempts to get it to shift but still banged Rev Limiter.
We changed the fluid to Type F and it would shift 1-2 but was not at track so could not get a fill for the shift firmness.
We went to the SBSO in San Antone and found out here how it was going to shift
My GRANDMOTHER could shift faster than this tranny did!!!!!!!!!! The shift 1-2 and 2-3 was so soft I had time to read a book between shifts.
But on top of that my new 3600 converter flashed at between 1800-2000 max. I am in Houston and they are in Bossier City LA and it costs 500.00 R&R and 135.00 frt 1 way to get it back and redone. Also the T.C. has to go back somewhere in Ohio for restall Has anyone got any imput on these tranny's and their converter's??
They came highly recommened and that's why my money went to them.
Help from everyone out there
Thanks
David

 

Were you the red Vette there Sunday? I think I remember seeing you there among all the F Body's.

Too bad on the tranny. Hope you get it fixed OK. We came there with a new tranny also with no WOT runs on it and no shiftpoint trials until after the first test and tune run. In all, we put only 5 runs on it. Fortunately, we had drove the car about 200 miles to break it in. We had fun but too bad Jeff lost to the other car by 0.03 sec. It was still worth $250 to him and I am sure he could use it.

Update: David, I just saw your page over on the SW Forum. I'll call tomorrow or have my son call.



[Modified by RWhite, 6:56 PM 3/16/2004]

 

Are you sure there are not any programming issues? These A4's can be very sensitive to programming especially torque converters.


[Modified by Buckmaster, 8:00 PM 3/16/2004]

 

Sorry to hear about your problems my 427 Z07 Brother!! :grouphug: :grouphug: IF JAYSON/MTI can't get that new tranny working you definitely have a problem with that RAPTOR tranny and i feel your pain!!!! :banghead: Unfortunately i have no knowledge on the RAPTOR tranny as all my experience and very pleasant experiences at that have been with FLP/CHUCK JOHNSON's built A4 trannys!! Hope you get this sorted out soon and your baby is up and running strong again in the very near future!!! Hang in there my friend, this to will pass and will only get better! :cheers: :chevy


[Modified by MTI 427 Roadster, 11:14 PM 3/16/2004]

 

I had a 4l6OE Raptor from PATC, AND IT WAS NO BETTER THAN A BOAT ANCHOR. Check with the Louisianna BBB and you will see how bad this company is. They basically stole $2000.00 from me. This was two years ago when I bought this junk magnet from them for my '97 Camaro. I live in Ohio and bought it around Jan 1 of that year (winter time). They offer a 6 month waranty which begins when you place the phone order (for me was Decmeber 23rd).

Two weeks later you receive it (1/15). Installed it roughly two weeks after I received it (1/31, it was winter so no need to install quickly). Test drive it and no 1-2 shift, remove it (within a week of not working). Send it back (2/14), let them rebuild it again, send it back to me (this process takes 3-3.5 weeks). They tell me they had a bad batch of bands, I said fine no cost to me except time to R&R. By time it gets reinstalled it is around March 11th. Was in for roughly three/four weeks at best when it began slipping into fourth. They say tell me the clutches were bad. Pull it out (3/20), send it back (3/23), when I get it back it is close to April 19th, roughly. Reinstall it around April 24th. Was not able to drive it because it was very eratic when shifting. Send it back again (4/29). I get it back it is May 19th, they say the reaction shell was cracked so they replaced it. I say fine, reinstall on 5/24. I do full throttle pass and it blows up. trans fluid spewing, smoke everywhere. I call them back and they tell me "Hello this is Trudy, how may I help you?---- Yes my junk trans you sold me has broke again. ---- Sorry Mr James but your waranty has expired and there is nothing we can do for you."

What they don't tell you is you are about to be sold a piece of crap, are going to be R&R'ing this thing about 4-5 times on the avarage, and that this whole process will allow Trudy to get her teeth fixed with your $2000.oo.

This was my .02.


[Modified by jamesge, 1:01 PM 3/17/2004]

 

Hmmm.... I have their Mega Raptor package and I am completely happy with it.

Have you updated the PCM for the new converter? If not, that is the problem and not the transmission. If the PCM is not updated, it will still try to shift based on the old converter values which will lead to slow and incorrect shifts. You will also need to adjust the shift firmness and line pressure because of the better working and reacting internals.

After I updated my PCM when I installed the Mega Raptor package and upgraded converter( from 3200 to 3800 ), shifting is crisp and fast. Even shifting into 3rd and 65+ mph will snap my neck and break loose the tires. The transmission has taken numerous 700ish rwhp nitrous without a single problem.

Keith

 

Good morning everyone,
There are a lot of questions that have to be answered
First of all back at Roger
The red vette was my wife's and this was her very 1st time ever to be on the track.
Mine was the Black 00 Coupe with the MCM hood and Painted with the Grim Reaper on it. I was running in the Super Stocker class.
I still ran 10.94@127 with 1.55 60ft.
the car was flashing to about 18-2000 rpm Car wt. 3610#
I treed my competitor and had 2 lenght's on him till 1-2 shift and he gained one, then 2-3 shift he gained the other lenth ,beat me by a 1/2 car
Oh by the way his weight was 3375# 1.50 60ft 10.68@126 .1752 differance.
I know where the 300# extra weight is so I will deal with that later
Back to the tranny and converter issue
Jayson at MTI is one of the premier tuner's anywhere anytime.
in this business. He personally takes care of everything on my ride
And yes there was total reprogramming of all the pcm's and everything was tryed to make the car shift
There is only so much a tuner can do on the outside of the tranny to make it work
Also when you have a 3600 stall convertor and when you put it in gear at 900 rpm and it wants to take off the convertor is tighter than Dick's Hat Band
Also bringing it up on rpm's with brake on and you cannot hold it @ 18-2000
you do not have a converter that is 3600.
let's give or take 2-300 rpm 1 way or the other
Not 1600-1800 differance
Keith
You were one of the main reasons I went with this tranny and I got great feedback from lot's of other's also
Now PATC and I have been talking and the tranny is on the way back today and they are sending me a brade new one.
I asked what could be the problem's with the current one, their guess was Bad pump and or not enough line pressure.
They assured me the next one would be right.
Converter issue
They are going to give me full credit and I will let everyone know if this does go down
Also they are picking up frt in and out!
The issue of the 500.00 R&R is still being discussed so I will let everyone know has that goes!!!
I am going back to Yank for the new converter.
3600-3800
I will give them 1 more shot because verbally they seem to be O>K> guy's.
Thanks to everyone
I will be back with the results
David

 

Sorry to hear about your problems. I can relate I've had some problems before in the past. I had a bad experience with the royal purple stuff before. I had a perfectly working trans and put it in and imediately the car started

having shifting problems.

 

It is good to here that things are working out with you :) I myself have had only good experiences with them.

Keith

 

They seem nice, sure. But when the 6 months is up, beware. They will screw you.

 

Sorry to hear of your troubles. When I had my PATC MegaRaptor installed, everything worked fine when the fluid was adequately warmed up, but a few miles down the road, I couldn't get the tranny into the gear I was selecting, and it wouldn't ever shift out of 2nd once it received the gear selection. :eek:
Anyway, just thought I'd let you know that it turned out to be the external linkage was not properly secured. Once I took it back to the shop I had the install done at...it worked great!!! Still works great today, as long as I let the tranny fluid warm up to about 130 or so before I do anything drastic.
I will say this though...their customer service sucks! Oh, they don't mind answering a few questions, as long as it doesn't require them to do anything. Just F.Y.I. addn'l info. :cheers:

 

good luck on the tranny issues david, give the yank ss 3800 a try, you will love it......... :yesnod: :thumbs:

 

Good morning everyone
I just pulled the BBB report on PATC
They are not nice people, multiple complaints and unanswered resolutions.
BBB quote
Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to unanswered complaintnent(s). In this case,our records show a pattern of Failing to Eliminate the basic cause of customer complaints http://www.shreveport.bbb.org
Any more imput from my brother's
This sux !!!!!!!!
Now I have to make a decision to put the Level 4 back in and make another decision on whose tranny to buy

Thanks for the support
David

 

DAVID:

If and when you end up abandoning the RAPTOR TRANNY (maybe they can refund your purchase as you are unsatisfied with the intial product) then i would go with FLP (Chuck Johnson will stand behind all his built A4 trannys 100% and they perform great) or if they are too far from you why not stick with the High Performance A4 tranny builder in or near Houston that MTI uses all the time on their A4 upgrades, who MTI seems very pleased with (can't recall their name right now)!

BEst of luck being a happy camper again no matter what route your choose! :cheers:


[Modified by MTI 427 Roadster, 3:09 PM 3/18/2004]

 

I'm one of the people who filed a claim with the BBB against them.(They did not respond)"Long story"
Short story, shipped backed 8 to 9 times, never got more than a couple miles on any of them. Tried to get money back after @ 3rd time, no can do. After 9th time, Sorry your 6 month warranty has expired.
I strongly DO NOT RECOMMEND PATC.

P.S. after a year and a half cooling off period, I pulled the tranny apart and rebuilt myself, $150 worth of parts. Works fine now.

 

Sorry to hear about your probems, if you've got a chance to cut your losses and get your money back I say do it and go with someone else.

 

Have you done a rebuild before? Was there any specific documentation that you used for the rebuild?

Keith

 

Chuck at FLP is one of the nicest guys I have ever spoken too about our Vettes.....not to mention his incredible skill and knowledge. I had a Chuck Johnson tranny on my 436 Stroker.....544rwtq BEAST without one issue. And the customer service is top notch. Best tranny I have ever used. Good luck to you.

 

Good afternoon everyon
Just a little update
The PATC tranny and converter is back in Bosier City , La. as I write.
The ball is in there park now because they officialy own the combo .
Ihave made demand for 100% credit on the complete pkg. by fax
I have all the backup paperwork and doc's to support their infeariar products, service and follow ups Or should I say they do not follow up as you saw in the BBB report
I have given them untill 03-22-04 to issue 100% credit back to my card or I will pursue them leagally, at that is in my back yard Good ole Houston Town
The C/C co has been put on alert and has advised they would take care of it if necessary
Let's hope PATC does the right thing!!!!!!!
New tranny???
Iwill put the level 4 back in build by Century till the new one is ready
This time we want let some slick talking La boy's get us.
Also it will never be an off brand MIDWEST converter again
By the way the Midwest is a piece of junk and the pricing was 1119.00
Ripped me off

That's the latest I am out of the office and the wife is going to the rodeo in my truck
So to fill better I am going to burn up some road in her 02 red vert w/ mag h/c and goodies
Not quite the same but it's stll better than looking at mine in Jayon's/MTI shop
\Everyone have a great weekend and I'll be back Monday with better new's

David
Z07/427C5R

 

Have you done a rebuild before? Was there any specific documentation that you used for the rebuild?

Keith

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I've messed around with powerglides and turbo's before. I mainly used a GM service manual for my '86 vette, but the PATC trans was based on a '93 model, mainly valve body check ball differences.

Dennis