Twin Superchargers
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Re: Twin Superchargers (Bobintally)
So, the question is: Anyone have experience with the system or opinion?
FWIW check out http://www.aandacorvette.com/ he can set you up with a procharger system that will kick azz :thumbs:
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Re: Twin Superchargers (Bobintally)
Looks to me like Yellohhh is correct. One supercharger, mounted such that high rise hood is not needed. ProCharger says the system is part number: 1GK211-SCI and cost for the system is $6,996.00.
So, the question is: Anyone have experience with the system or opinion?
So, the question is: Anyone have experience with the system or opinion?
:cheers:
Melting Slicks
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Re: Twin Superchargers (SideStep)
Looks to me like Yellohhh is correct. One supercharger, mounted such that high rise hood is not needed. ProCharger says the system is part number: 1GK211-SCI and cost for the system is $6,996.00.
So, the question is: Anyone have experience with the system or opinion?
Call Andy at A&A... He will answer all your questions. I along with several other forum members have just purchased his latest system, it is probably what you are looking for...
:cheers:
So, the question is: Anyone have experience with the system or opinion?
Call Andy at A&A... He will answer all your questions. I along with several other forum members have just purchased his latest system, it is probably what you are looking for...
:cheers:
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Re: Twin Superchargers (Bobintally)
Check out the ATI setup Andy makes. It is sweet :smiliedrool: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=769775
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Re: Twin Superchargers
:withstupid: Twin superchargers huh? :lolg: There's a purpose for twin turbos...they work together. The superchargers would (if there was even enough room for two) be pushing boost on each other while trying to get into the throttle body. The physics of it would net most likely no benefit unless run inline with each other, and then you'd just be getting way too much boost for any streetable motor to handle. Save your money and I'll sell you an electric leaf blower you can duct-tape to the intake with a switch :D
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Re: Twin Superchargers (Crazy C5 Cowboy)
:withstupid: Twin superchargers huh? :lolg: There's a purpose for twin turbos...they work together. The superchargers would (if there was even enough room for two) be pushing boost on each other while trying to get into the throttle body. The physics of it would net most likely no benefit unless run inline with each other, and then you'd just be getting way too much boost for any streetable motor to handle. Save your money and I'll sell you an electric leaf blower you can duct-tape to the intake with a switch :D
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Re: Twin Superchargers (M Diddy)
I saw a Thunderbird in Car Craft with twin superchargers. I think they were twin screw type.
That was Mike Sitar's junkyard warrior. It uses 2 junkyard T-Bird SC's on a homemade intake and moves that heavy T-Bird pretty well.
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Re: Twin Superchargers (Bobintally)
I am considering installation of the ProCharger twin superchargers on my 2001 six speed. Anyone have experience with this or opinions? :steering:
that said, i also have the kit on my c5 and LOVE it. definitely the best bang for the buck, and a great kit. all i had to do was install the kit and get it tuned to get 495 rwhp. no internal engine mods, no fuel system mods. nothing else needed to be upgraded. :)
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Re: Twin Superchargers (Ryan2002C5)
:withstupid: Twin superchargers huh? :lolg: There's a purpose for twin turbos...they work together. The superchargers would (if there was even enough room for two) be pushing boost on each other while trying to get into the throttle body. The physics of it would net most likely no benefit unless run inline with each other, and then you'd just be getting way too much boost for any streetable motor to handle. Save your money and I'll sell you an electric leaf blower you can duct-tape to the intake with a switch :D
Yeah that would be funny, how would you splice them together?? Not even possible. TT not TSC
Yeah that would be funny, how would you splice them together?? Not even possible. TT not TSC
What?
Boost is boost. Why would turbo boost be different than blower boost.
Look at this twin supercharged T-Bird with the blowers fighting each other. One is fighting to pull the right wheel, one is fighting to pull the left wheel. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Now granted, its just a street car that only runs low 10's.:D:D:DD:
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[Modified by Fastguy, 11:38 PM 4/5/2004]
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Re: Twin Superchargers (wht2000vette)
Yea, got any pics of that motor up close? I'd be REAL interested in seeing them! Call me a non-believer, but I don't think it's twin supercharged. IF it is, it's no ATI kit from the company. Besides everything else... there are blowers that make more boost than you need for almost any motor.
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Re: Twin Superchargers (Crazy C5 Cowboy)
Call me a non-believer, but I don't think it's twin supercharged.
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Re: Twin Superchargers (DoctorV8)
Mike is a mad scientist/master fabricator kind of guy open to new ideas and experimenting. Check out "Montzilla", the TT 460 Fairmont he helped build.
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Re: Twin Superchargers (James G)
Andy did have one built, and he posted pics of it. I don't know hwether he went through with it.
I'm takeing a stretch here, but I beleive this is what he hit on:
Centrifical blowers, like turbos build a certain amount of boost. Small blowers build boost earlier, but run out of breath. To have a small blower make more boost, you have to spin it faster thereby raising the IAT (intake air temp) causing the intercooler to become less efficient, and raising heat reducing power.
Bigger centrifical blowers can comfortably push more air with lower IAT's, but at the cost of having more parasitic drag and slower spool up times-making it less torquey down at the lower RPMS. So, by using twin average size superchargers Andy could generate mucho boost with less heat-of course minus the additional drag from the added s/c and belts.
Anyway, I think this was the concept behind it, and I don't know if it was just a testbed or he did it-but it sure made for a very BUSY looking engine compartment!
I'm takeing a stretch here, but I beleive this is what he hit on:
Centrifical blowers, like turbos build a certain amount of boost. Small blowers build boost earlier, but run out of breath. To have a small blower make more boost, you have to spin it faster thereby raising the IAT (intake air temp) causing the intercooler to become less efficient, and raising heat reducing power.
Bigger centrifical blowers can comfortably push more air with lower IAT's, but at the cost of having more parasitic drag and slower spool up times-making it less torquey down at the lower RPMS. So, by using twin average size superchargers Andy could generate mucho boost with less heat-of course minus the additional drag from the added s/c and belts.
Anyway, I think this was the concept behind it, and I don't know if it was just a testbed or he did it-but it sure made for a very BUSY looking engine compartment!
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Re: Twin Superchargers (Bobintally)
We've done that with twin Paxtons on one of our Bonneville cars.
However, to make significantly more boost than with one blower, we "staged" the two, i.e., output of the left one into the right one, with twin air-to-water intercoolers. The plumbing was a bear, but it made good power and looked impressive as h**l. Btw, Paxton told us they'd never done it, nor heard of doing it. :lol: Funny, since it was SOP by the 30's German GP car manufacturers.
Later we switched to twin-turbos, made a LOT more power, AND set 4 record, three of which was breaking our own! Couldn't ever do it with the twin-centrificals.
Give it a go!
All the best. :yesnod:
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However, to make significantly more boost than with one blower, we "staged" the two, i.e., output of the left one into the right one, with twin air-to-water intercoolers. The plumbing was a bear, but it made good power and looked impressive as h**l. Btw, Paxton told us they'd never done it, nor heard of doing it. :lol: Funny, since it was SOP by the 30's German GP car manufacturers.
Later we switched to twin-turbos, made a LOT more power, AND set 4 record, three of which was breaking our own! Couldn't ever do it with the twin-centrificals.
Give it a go!
All the best. :yesnod:
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Re: Twin Superchargers (Avanti)
Back around 1964-65, a high school buddy of mine put twin Paxtons on a 327 that he had in a 54 Corvette. It was set up so that each supercharger fed one the the two AFB 4-barrel carburetors that were being used. I do not believe he ever ran it at the strip but it was a terror on the street.
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Re: Twin Superchargers (SFVetteman)
I have seen twin roots type blower applications in the past. Intake is setup so that each is offset like the T-bird or at 45* angles.
A supercharger is just another air pump, so the more air you can pump the more power you make....unfortunately it isn't linear due to heat and all but possible with enough engineering.
A supercharger is just another air pump, so the more air you can pump the more power you make....unfortunately it isn't linear due to heat and all but possible with enough engineering.
