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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 10:15 AM
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Default A4 - When do you know the tranny is slipping?

Well I have a bit more HP now and I am wondering what signs to look for when the tranny is starting to give. The only answer I have gotten is "You will know". I assume there are variations in how it begins to deteriorate/fall apart. Worst case scenario it won't upshift or downshiftom 3-4 or some other gear, but how about just slipping some where I am losing power. Is there any way to detect this w/o a huge $$$?

I am going to the track this Sunday and a bit of anxiety hoping my latest mods/power are truly realized.

With the weather, trapping 116-118mph is what I am hoping for (mods link below in sig)
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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 12:47 PM
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Instead of crisp shift you will fell lag-slip between shifts. Also watch your tranny temps, ideally should be less than 200*.
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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 01:13 PM
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My tranny was starting to go as I was driving to DTE for them to install a huge supercharger upgrade, including a new FLP level 4 tranny. The shifts were a little slow, and very "hard". The check engine light came on. Fortunately, it lasted long enough to get me to DTE, and now I have my new tranny installed.
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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 03:41 PM
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When my tranny went there was absolutely no mistaking it, I stepped on the gas and the engine revved but the car went no where
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The PCM in my 2004 monitors the input speed of the trans and the output speed in RPM's. In 3rd gear, which is 1 to 1, if the speeds vary by more than programmed specs it throws a code. I wish I could remember the code.

I don't know about earlier models but I found out about this when I put my 3.73 gears in and the shop accidently reprogramed my car for 3.42 gears. The first time I got on a freeway it started throwing a code. I looked it up in my manual and it explained how the whole process worked.

Resetting the PCM for 3.73 gears cleared it up.

By the way, I believe that the best way to prolong your A4's life is to keep it's temps below 200.
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Old Aug 21, 2004 | 01:24 PM
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I've been through three trannys, and I can tell you what I experienced.

1. Tranny fluid had an extreme "burned" odor, and appearance.

2. Tranny began to slip and hit the rev limiter at WOT, going from 2nd to 3rd, consistantly. However, the tranny would NOT slip in normal street driving, from 2-3.

3. Once you determine it is slipping as mine was...if you continue to get on it, eventually you will end up with 2nd gear available only, in extreme cases, and will have lots of trouble finding reverse, first, and even neutral...and ultimately, will only rev and hit the limiter, regardless of gear selection!

Once no. 3 happens, you get to either limp home in 2nd gear, with a very red face...or you get to call for a tow!!!

Oh, almost forgot to mention...you'll need about $2500 to $3000, for the reception party later!

Good luck!

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Old Aug 21, 2004 | 03:28 PM
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Thanks all! Well, I guess I will know when it really happens. I just hope I can drive it home or to the shop!

Did everyone go with FLP IV or V when you did replace?

FLP4 seems to only be around 1800$ atm, not too bad (not including install costs just parts)
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Originally Posted by LeMansBlue04
The PCM in my 2004 monitors the input speed of the trans and the output speed in RPM's. In 3rd gear, which is 1 to 1, if the speeds vary by more than programmed specs it throws a code. I wish I could remember the code.

I don't know about earlier models but I found out about this when I put my 3.73 gears in and the shop accidently reprogramed my car for 3.42 gears. The first time I got on a freeway it started throwing a code. I looked it up in my manual and it explained how the whole process worked.

Resetting the PCM for 3.73 gears cleared it up.

By the way, I believe that the best way to prolong your A4's life is to keep it's temps below 200.

I believe that you are referring to the P0757 code.
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Thanks all! Well, I guess I will know when it really happens. I just hope I can drive it home or to the shop!

Did everyone go with FLP IV or V when you did replace?

FLP4 seems to only be around 1800$ atm, not too bad (not including install costs just parts)
Yes, FLP Lvl 5 would be a great choice!!!
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Just had a LV tranny installed. Now I am hitting the rev limiter at WOT just like I was with the stock tranny. So far, I have less than 350 miles on the new tranny .

I know for sure with the old transmission the 2/3 clutches were done. However with the new tranny.. Have no clue! Hopefully it is only a tuning issue now.
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Originally Posted by NIGHTMARE...2001
I've been through three trannys, and I can tell you what I experienced.

1. Tranny fluid had an extreme "burned" odor, and appearance.

2. Tranny began to slip and hit the rev limiter at WOT, going from 2nd to 3rd, consistantly. However, the tranny would NOT slip in normal street driving, from 2-3.

3. Once you determine it is slipping as mine was...if you continue to get on it, eventually you will end up with 2nd gear available only, in extreme cases, and will have lots of trouble finding reverse, first, and even neutral...and ultimately, will only rev and hit the limiter, regardless of gear selection!

Once no. 3 happens, you get to either limp home in 2nd gear, with a very red face...or you get to call for a tow!!!

Oh, almost forgot to mention...you'll need about $2500 to $3000, for the reception party later!

Good luck!
Didn't your GM warantee cover these $2500 ot $3000 parties??
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Old Aug 22, 2004 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Macinamouth
Didn't your GM warantee cover these $2500 ot $3000 parties??
Not with his mods
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Old Aug 22, 2004 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Macinamouth
Didn't your GM warantee cover these $2500 ot $3000 parties??
Macinamouth, negative...my warranty ran out prior to this event, and as runamuk pointed out above, GM would have taken a dim view of my internal mods. Besides, they're not going to warranty the Lvl 5 tranny build mod under any conditions.
Nope, at this party, you have to bring your own! HTH!!
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Old Aug 22, 2004 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by brialex42
Just had a LV tranny installed. Now I am hitting the rev limiter at WOT just like I was with the stock tranny. So far, I have less than 350 miles on the new tranny .

I know for sure with the old transmission the 2/3 clutches were done. However with the new tranny.. Have no clue! Hopefully it is only a tuning issue now.
brialex42, hopefully you bought the FLP Lvl 4...if so, they have a six month warranty.
It does however, sound like your 3/4 clutch pack again.(JMO) It shouldn't hit the rev limiter at all, with good clutches. Make sure your shift settings are programmed correctly first, before doing anything radical. I feel your pain, I promise you!

I paid for two out of three rebuilds myself! The first was covered by the builder's warranty(happened at about 4-5 mos)...the second was out of warranty(6.5 mos...so I had to pay)...the third time I knew I wasn't going to use the original vendor again, and I was going to get a FLP Lvl 5, but a local tranny builder convinced me that he could build a tranny that would last, and to back it up, he bragged that he would give a 12 month warranty to all who came to his shop.
So...I gave this local shop a try, and after 14 passes at the dragstrip(including some grueling burnouts with drag radials!), and 1,400 miles, it is tight as can be, with no slippage!!!

Obviously, I am very happy with this guy's shop, so far! I can tell you DFW guys what shop this is, if you want to know...but I told HIM, I would not be able to recommend his shop to anyone, unless I can get a full year out of it. He said he felt the majority of tranny problems were due to poor craftsmanship, and that he would stand behind his work 1000%. I said, yeah...right...I'm gonna come limping in here with a crippled transmission one day, and you're gonna tell me, that high performance usage is not covered! Well, he said, I wouldn't want you to come in here with drag numberes all over your car, but I promise you that the tranny will be repaired under warranty! Then, he said he wanted to expand his business into the high performance Corvette market, and knew he better be building a dam good product to do so.

All I can say is, so far so good, and this tranny has had more abuse than all of the others I've had so far! With the others, I never had drag radials...only runflats! Also no other high performance tranny builder has the ***** to offer a 12 month warranty!
FLP has a 6 mo. warranty, and Rossler will not give any warranty.

Good luck on your choice, and I'll post any issues with mine, should that dreaded scenario arise again.

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Originally Posted by NIGHTMARE...2001
Obviously, I am very happy with this guy's shop, so far! I can tell you DFW guys what shop this is, if you want to know...
So which shop is it?
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So which shop is it?
Allstate Transmissions
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Ask for Bobby(remind him he put 9 red clutches in mine, not 8)

I experienced a 3 day turnaround(He doesn't want nice cars sitting around in his shop for too long).
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Thanks!

Mind if I ask what he charged for the work?
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTirez
Thanks!

Mind if I ask what he charged for the work?
Just a heads up...his shop looks a little sloppy, but if you can get past that part of it, it appears he does pretty nice work.

$2573 is what he charged me, rebuilding my Lvl 5 core, which already had a billet servo, 13 vane pump, 5 pinion planets, and some other stuff.

It might be more or less, depending on what you need/want done. I think he had to replace a bent input shaft on mine, so that may be something you don't need. Good luck...and let us know if he treats you right.
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Thanks! Just checking the info in case I need it. Going with a h/c kit soon and I just assume things will break later. Good to know there is a shop nearby that can handle the work.

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