Bose Suspension System
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Bose Suspension System
Well I don't know if this topic has come up before.. I didn't see anything on it in the Search engine... but I found this link to a new type of suspension by Bose... read about it and check out the pics and videos of the comparisons... the most dramatic I think is the "bump test track"...
The big question is... how much?!?!
Bose Suspension Sysem
It looks pretty awesome...
The big question is... how much?!?!
Bose Suspension Sysem
It looks pretty awesome...
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Originally Posted by sandmanusd
Well I don't know if this topic has come up before.. I didn't see anything on it in the Search engine... but I found this link to a new type of suspension by Bose... read about it and check out the pics and videos of the comparisons... the most dramatic I think is the "bump test track"...
The big question is... how much?!?!
Bose Suspension Sysem
It looks pretty awesome...
The big question is... how much?!?!
Bose Suspension Sysem
It looks pretty awesome...
Sorny
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If Bose is such a joke how come they still manage to do business after thirty years. I remember in the early 70's when I first heard a pair of Bose 901's. They sounded better than any other speaker I had ever heard. And you can still buy the 901 speaker today. Dr. Bose's joke has been money in his bank for three decades. I could go for some humor like that.
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Originally Posted by Apollo's Chariot
If Bose is such a joke how come they still manage to do business after thirty years. I remember in the early 70's when I first heard a pair of Bose 901's. They sounded better than any other speaker I had ever heard. And you can still buy the 901 speaker today. Dr. Bose's joke has been money in his bank for three decades. I could go for some humor like that.
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Originally Posted by Apollo's Chariot
If Bose is such a joke how come they still manage to do business after thirty years. I remember in the early 70's when I first heard a pair of Bose 901's. They sounded better than any other speaker I had ever heard. And you can still buy the 901 speaker today. Dr. Bose's joke has been money in his bank for three decades. I could go for some humor like that.
The tech sounds cool, but you have to think about what happens when something goes wrong. From what I saw on their site, there is no conventional shock system, so if you have a wiring problem, 1 or up to all 4 wheels will have ZERO suspension. Not pretty.
BTW, this sort of suspension system has been used for DECADES in the semiconductor industry for vibration isolation and compensation, particularily in photolighography. It isn't totally new, other than being applied to automobiles. Typical Bose, take existing ideas, patent them for a slightly different implementation and brag about how forward-thinking they are (their "bass modules" for the cube speakers are nothing more than bandpass boxes, yet they got a patent for them... the patent system is FUBAR). The computational power to do what the suspension does has been around since the late 80's. Linear motors are not new.
I'm leary about the McPhearson struts for the "front" module, and wonder about the weight such a system would add to a car. However, since they intend to target the luxury segment, it doesn't much matter, I guess.
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Originally Posted by Sorny
Oh, I dunno, it could have to do with them suing anyone who shows proof that their speakers suck. They sued Consumer's Union (consumer reports) when they said the speakers were junk. Since the lawsuit, CR always has positive things to say about Bose.
So this might indicate that Bose had grounds for their suit, I don't think C.U. would change their tune from saturation advertising, any figures on what %'s other companies spend? How about the fact that their Marketing department has over 4x the budget of R&D? Saturation advertising has a STRONG influence on Joe and Jane 6-pack who don't even know enough about audio to LISTEN to different speakers before buying... Bose makes great speakers, (here we both agree) but charges Bently prices for Yugo quality.This I would also agree with if you had used Chevy instead of Yugo. Their products are overpriced, thats capitalisim I guess. The "Acustimass" and "Lifestyle" speaker sets are worth about $200, as my computer multimedia speakers use similar 2.5" cones and have a real subwoofer (not that is gets all that deep, but neither does Bose). If Bose charged realistic prices, I'd not be so hateful of them. It just saddens me that the average guy thinks Bose is great because of the advertising. Here is a hint, go to a REAL audio shop and listen to some real speakers. My home theater system comprises 'Ramsa' speakers with Crown Power Amps. This stuff is about six years old but it is far from Mr. & Mrs. Sixpacks Pioneer System. My ears aren't totally ignorant of quality sound reproduction. You'll hear things that Bose cannot reproduce (like bass and treble).
I have no opinion on the suspension, and with no price given it feels hard to be too impressed.
The tech sounds cool, but you have to think about what happens when something goes wrong. From what I saw on their site, there is no conventional shock system, so if you have a wiring problem, 1 or up to all 4 wheels will have ZERO suspension. Not pretty.
BTW, this sort of suspension system has been used for DECADES in the semiconductor industry for vibration isolation and compensation, particularily in photolighography. It isn't totally new, other than being applied to automobiles. Typical Bose, take existing ideas, patent them for a slightly different implementation and brag about how forward-thinking they are (their "bass modules" for the cube speakers are nothing more than bandpass boxes, yet they got a patent for them... the patent system is FUBAR). The computational power to do what the suspension does has been around since the late 80's. Linear motors are not new.
I'm leary about the McPhearson struts for the "front" module, and wonder about the weight such a system would add to a car. However, since they intend to target the luxury segment, it doesn't much matter, I guess.
Sorny
So this might indicate that Bose had grounds for their suit, I don't think C.U. would change their tune from saturation advertising, any figures on what %'s other companies spend? How about the fact that their Marketing department has over 4x the budget of R&D? Saturation advertising has a STRONG influence on Joe and Jane 6-pack who don't even know enough about audio to LISTEN to different speakers before buying... Bose makes great speakers, (here we both agree) but charges Bently prices for Yugo quality.This I would also agree with if you had used Chevy instead of Yugo. Their products are overpriced, thats capitalisim I guess. The "Acustimass" and "Lifestyle" speaker sets are worth about $200, as my computer multimedia speakers use similar 2.5" cones and have a real subwoofer (not that is gets all that deep, but neither does Bose). If Bose charged realistic prices, I'd not be so hateful of them. It just saddens me that the average guy thinks Bose is great because of the advertising. Here is a hint, go to a REAL audio shop and listen to some real speakers. My home theater system comprises 'Ramsa' speakers with Crown Power Amps. This stuff is about six years old but it is far from Mr. & Mrs. Sixpacks Pioneer System. My ears aren't totally ignorant of quality sound reproduction. You'll hear things that Bose cannot reproduce (like bass and treble).
I have no opinion on the suspension, and with no price given it feels hard to be too impressed.
The tech sounds cool, but you have to think about what happens when something goes wrong. From what I saw on their site, there is no conventional shock system, so if you have a wiring problem, 1 or up to all 4 wheels will have ZERO suspension. Not pretty.
BTW, this sort of suspension system has been used for DECADES in the semiconductor industry for vibration isolation and compensation, particularily in photolighography. It isn't totally new, other than being applied to automobiles. Typical Bose, take existing ideas, patent them for a slightly different implementation and brag about how forward-thinking they are (their "bass modules" for the cube speakers are nothing more than bandpass boxes, yet they got a patent for them... the patent system is FUBAR). The computational power to do what the suspension does has been around since the late 80's. Linear motors are not new.
I'm leary about the McPhearson struts for the "front" module, and wonder about the weight such a system would add to a car. However, since they intend to target the luxury segment, it doesn't much matter, I guess.
Sorny
Last edited by Apollo's Chariot; Sep 6, 2004 at 01:08 PM.
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Originally Posted by Sorny
Oh, I dunno, it could have to do with them suing anyone who shows proof that their speakers suck. They sued Consumer's Union (consumer reports) when they said the speakers were junk. Since the lawsuit, CR always has positive things to say about Bose. How about the fact that their Marketing department has over 4x the budget of R&D? Saturation advertising has a STRONG influence on Joe and Jane 6-pack who don't even know enough about audio to LISTEN to different speakers before buying... Bose makes great speakers, but charges Bently prices for Yugo quality. The "Acustimass" and "Lifestyle" speaker sets are worth about $200, as my computer multimedia speakers use similar 2.5" cones and have a real subwoofer (not that is gets all that deep, but neither does Bose). If Bose charged realistic prices, I'd not be so hateful of them. It just saddens me that the average guy thinks Bose is great because of the advertising. Here is a hint, go to a REAL audio shop and listen to some real speakers. You'll hear things that Bose cannot reproduce (like bass and treble).
The tech sounds cool, but you have to think about what happens when something goes wrong. From what I saw on their site, there is no conventional shock system, so if you have a wiring problem, 1 or up to all 4 wheels will have ZERO suspension. Not pretty.
BTW, this sort of suspension system has been used for DECADES in the semiconductor industry for vibration isolation and compensation, particularily in photolighography. It isn't totally new, other than being applied to automobiles. Typical Bose, take existing ideas, patent them for a slightly different implementation and brag about how forward-thinking they are (their "bass modules" for the cube speakers are nothing more than bandpass boxes, yet they got a patent for them... the patent system is FUBAR). The computational power to do what the suspension does has been around since the late 80's. Linear motors are not new.
I'm leary about the McPhearson struts for the "front" module, and wonder about the weight such a system would add to a car. However, since they intend to target the luxury segment, it doesn't much matter, I guess.
Sorny
The tech sounds cool, but you have to think about what happens when something goes wrong. From what I saw on their site, there is no conventional shock system, so if you have a wiring problem, 1 or up to all 4 wheels will have ZERO suspension. Not pretty.
BTW, this sort of suspension system has been used for DECADES in the semiconductor industry for vibration isolation and compensation, particularily in photolighography. It isn't totally new, other than being applied to automobiles. Typical Bose, take existing ideas, patent them for a slightly different implementation and brag about how forward-thinking they are (their "bass modules" for the cube speakers are nothing more than bandpass boxes, yet they got a patent for them... the patent system is FUBAR). The computational power to do what the suspension does has been around since the late 80's. Linear motors are not new.
I'm leary about the McPhearson struts for the "front" module, and wonder about the weight such a system would add to a car. However, since they intend to target the luxury segment, it doesn't much matter, I guess.
Sorny
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Originally Posted by eRiCdWoNg
No highs, no lows, must be bose. I agree bose is all about marketing. People buy acoustimass systems cause of the size. Personally I will never buy a bose system. I tore out the one in the C5 and also the one in my previous car. What really irks me is the fact that many people believe bose is the #1 brand and theres nothing else.
I have seen a demo of those magnetic shocks on tv before, pretty cool stuff... but this seems a lot better.... who knows.. looks pretty cool
