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Does anybody have any opinion on Shell V-Power gas ? Is it any good ?
There is a gas station very close to me that I would like to use but I don't know if V-Power is a potential problem. I recall that Shell was in a class-action suit a few years ago because some additives in their gas were screwing up the sending units in some cars.
Shell makes the VPower out to be something you can't get at other major stations. I bet it's good gas but not better than BP, Chevron, etc.
The problem awhile back (maybe 18 months?) was traced to 1 refinery that produced gas that had too much sulphur I believe. If you have a Shell nearby and it's what you want, I'd use it. I prefer Chevron myself.
I posted a thread a few months ago titled "gasoline facts" (and a related one titled "oil facts"). They got a lot of attention and many replies at the time, but like all other threads, fade with time. You can find them by using those titles in the "search this forum" function. They are relevant to your question. Shell indeed had an isolated problem with sulfur, but they corrected it and stood behind any damages caused. This is typical of majors. They are less likely to get you in trouble in the first place, and if they do happen to screw up, as all humans do from time to time, they will stand behind it. In general, you are much safer with the major brands. V-Power has some advantages to their additive package. They may be better, but are certainly not worse than others. The thing about additives is that there is no such thing as the universally better additive. Some are better in some areas, some in others. If it keeps valves a smidgen cleaner, you can bet it won't do quite as good on injectors. Overall, you shouldn't hesitate to use Shell, or other majors, in your car. As several of the replies in the threads point out, you are also often OK with the cheapos. But you never know for sure. So it's all about how much you are willing to risk to save a few cents.
Does anybody have any opinion on Shell V-Power gas ? Is it any good ?
There is a gas station very close to me that I would like to use but I don't know if V-Power is a potential problem. I recall that Shell was in a class-action suit a few years ago because some additives in their gas were screwing up the sending units in some cars.
First you have to understand that gasoline is a fungible bulk commodity, delivered by mass pipeline. It is not segregated by brand. The gas you buy at Sam's Club or Kroger is the same gas Shell sells. The *only* difference is the additive package added by the truck driver who delivers the gas to a retail station. That's a couple of Kool Aid size packets dumped into a 10,000 gallon tanker truck load.
Does the make up of the additive package matter? Yeah, over the long term it helps keep injectors cleaner, but all retail gasoline has to have additives that meet a particular EPA standard. Top Tier suppliers go a bit above and beyond that to earn their Top Tier ranking. Shell V-Power has the Top Tier ranking. It is just as good as the gas sold at QuikTrip, The Pantry (Conoco), or at a higher price Chevron station. All of whom are Top Tier ranked for their additive packages. (As noted above, the actual gasoline sold is all the same, coming out of the same tank at the pipeline terminal, only the about 4 oz of additives mixed into 10,000 gallons of gas differ between one brand and another.)
First you have to understand that gasoline is a fungible bulk commodity, delivered by mass pipeline. It is not segregated by brand. The gas you buy at Sam's Club or Kroger is the same gas Shell sells. The *only* difference is the additive package added by the truck driver who delivers the gas to a retail station. That's a couple of Kool Aid size packets dumped into a 10,000 gallon tanker truck load.
Does the make up of the additive package matter? Yeah, over the long term it helps keep injectors cleaner, but all retail gasoline has to have additives that meet a particular EPA standard. Top Tier suppliers go a bit above and beyond that to earn their Top Tier ranking. Shell V-Power has the Top Tier ranking. It is just as good as the gas sold at QuikTrip, The Pantry (Conoco), or at a higher price Chevron station. All of whom are Top Tier ranked for their additive packages. (As noted above, the actual gasoline sold is all the same, coming out of the same tank at the pipeline terminal, only the about 4 oz of additives mixed into 10,000 gallons of gas differ between one brand and another.)
Very good post shopdog, all very true...saved me a bunch of typing.
First you have to understand that gasoline is a fungible bulk commodity, delivered by mass pipeline. It is not segregated by brand. The gas you buy at Sam's Club or Kroger is the same gas Shell sells. The *only* difference is the additive package added by the truck driver who delivers the gas to a retail station. That's a couple of Kool Aid size packets dumped into a 10,000 gallon tanker truck load.
Does the make up of the additive package matter? Yeah, over the long term it helps keep injectors cleaner, but all retail gasoline has to have additives that meet a particular EPA standard. Top Tier suppliers go a bit above and beyond that to earn their Top Tier ranking. Shell V-Power has the Top Tier ranking. It is just as good as the gas sold at QuikTrip, The Pantry (Conoco), or at a higher price Chevron station. All of whom are Top Tier ranked for their additive packages. (As noted above, the actual gasoline sold is all the same, coming out of the same tank at the pipeline terminal, only the about 4 oz of additives mixed into 10,000 gallons of gas differ between one brand and another.)
This is true if you are in an inland area served by a major, "common carrier" pipeline such as Colonial or Explorer. This is not true if you are on the coast or a river, served by tankers and barges. If you happen to be in the latter category, and a large fraction of the US is, you are exposing yourself to greater distribution risk by going with the cheap guys.
I've been using Shell gas in all my vehicles. The only time I vary, is if I'm on the road and there are no Shell stations to be found. Since I've been using Shell, I've had no fuel related problems.
Here in Pennsylvania, we are treated to 'reformulated gasoline' from May through September to help our environment. Cough. Anyway, I kind of look at reformulated gas as being akin to dumping a gallon of water into your tank for evey 20 you put in. The knocking, the pinging....the struggle to get up a hill in my SUV.....
Anyway, we've been treated to myriad reports lately about 'premium gas' what with the soaring price at the pump. Local 'experts' have been talking about how there is little to no difference between regular unleaded (87) and premium (93). My Jaguar S would strangle one of these experts if it could.
I would think this is the same case for Vettes, no?
This is true if you are in an inland area served by a major, "common carrier" pipeline such as Colonial or Explorer. This is not true if you are on the coast or a river, served by tankers and barges. If you happen to be in the latter category, and a large fraction of the US is, you are exposing yourself to greater distribution risk by going with the cheap guys.
It is true that in an area served by tankers or barges, stations getting gas that day will get the gas of the refinery that filled the tanker or barge. That can change from one delivery to the next. But the same is true with pipelines. One batch will be from one refinery, the next from another. The only difference is that the pipeline supplied areas get more batches, and they mix in the large storage tanks at the pipeline terminal. So areas served by pipelines will have more uniform product day by day than areas with more sporadic deliveries.