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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 06:57 AM
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whats this tourqe managment control does it hurt the car that bad people are saying bad things about power loss lag and the other one i heard but dont know what there talkin about is the pedal spring and how you have to remove it what is it need help
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whats this tourqe managment control does it hurt the car that bad people are saying bad things about power loss lag and the other one i heard but dont know what there talkin about is the pedal spring and how you have to remove it what is it need help
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whats this tourqe managment control does it hurt the car that bad people are saying bad things about power loss lag and the other one i heard but dont know what there talkin about is the pedal spring and how you have to remove it what is it need help
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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 10:33 AM
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whats this tourqe managment control does it hurt the car that bad people are saying bad things about power loss lag and the other one i heard but dont know what there talkin about is the pedal spring and how you have to remove it what is it need help
With the automatics, TM reduces power during shifts to lessen wear on the drive train. It's bound to slow you down a smidge. I understand it can removed with a reprogramming, but I can imagine that GM wouldn't like it.

With the shifters, some people have removed one of the springs attached to the clutch pedal, and most seem to like it that way. I suspect that it is just a personal preference, as I never did that, and I love my clutch the way it is.
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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 11:33 AM
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With the automatics, TM reduces power during shifts to lessen wear on the drive train. It's bound to slow you down a smidge. I understand it can removed with a reprogramming, but I can imagine that GM wouldn't like it.

With the shifters, some people have removed one of the springs attached to the clutch pedal, and most seem to like it that way. I suspect that it is just a personal preference, as I never did that, and I love my clutch the way it is.
For a while there was quite a bit of debate as to weather or not torque management exists in cars with manual transmissions. I think that most people agree that there is (lets please not start the debate again). It seems that the people that are concerned about it are the ones who like to drag race, since that's the situation it most likely is needed. I don't drag my car, so it's not a big deal to me, and the only time I've felt it bog down is when TC and AH are activated.

The reason people have removed their clutch pedal spring, is that the clutch has a non-linear feel to it. Unfortunately it doesn't offer much feedback and in my opinion, is the least communicative part of the car. It's not horrible though. I have no intention of removing the spring, and I think most people don't do it.

There's 2 springs on the pedal so you're pushing against one in the first half of travel, then all of a sudden, the geometry changes to where the other spring helps you push the pedal. It feels like some force is trying to push the pedal away from the center position, to whichever side it's closer to. It's kind of weird and takes a bit of getting used to.
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After a couple of months, you get used to the clutch
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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 12:38 PM
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whats this tourqe managment control does it hurt the car that bad people are saying bad things about power loss lag and the other one i heard but dont know what there talkin about is the pedal spring and how you have to remove it what is it need help
The automatic has TM which retards engine timing during shifts. This protects the clutches in the tranny without significantly reducing performance. All C6s, including manuals, have "abuse mode", which pulls timing and partially closes the throttle under hard initial acceleration in lower gears to prevent damage to the rear end. The latter often gets lumped in with TM in these discussions, and is the thing that most complain about. But if you check the Tech section and read about rear ends being shucked on the drag strip in cars which have had this defeated, you might want to leave it be. (Note that violent wheel hop can still shuck a diff, even with abuse mode active, so it isn't a cure all, but it does help the diff live in most abusive acceleration situations.)

The manual cars have a helper spring on the clutch pedal to reduce pedal effort. Removing this spring gives a better clutch feel, and requires a bit more clutch effort. For most people, this is a good change with no real downside. For a few, the extra effort may be fatiguing.
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