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Old Feb 24, 2006 | 07:07 AM
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OK... I hear rumors about new fluids available that make a big difference. Question: What fluid do you have and what difference did it make... also, does it void warranty? Thanks in advance!
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Old Feb 24, 2006 | 08:59 AM
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I believe that GM specifies Dexron III as the transmission fluid (I request someone correct me if that is not true). Any transmission fluid that meets or exceeds the properties of Dexron III can be used, regardless of manufacturer and regardless of whether it is natural or synthetic. I suggest you read the following;

http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?ID=8124

As for me, I use Amsoil products in all of the vehicles and equipment having internal combustion engines that I own. There is a link on the left side of the Forum Thread list under lubricants. I am not a dealer of Amsoil and have no financial ties to the company.
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Originally Posted by CorvetteRL
OK... I hear rumors about new fluids available that make a big difference. Question: What fluid do you have and what difference did it make... also, does it void warranty? Thanks in advance!
The top contenders are for the C6 are:

Redline D4ATF
Mobil-1 ATF
Royal Purple Synchromax
Royal Purple ATF
Amsoil ATF
Redline MTL

The ATFs all probably meet your warranty requirements. MTL and Synchromax are questionable, but some people think they work better. I use D4ATF during the winter and switch to MTL in the summer. A friend with a C5 swears Synchromax is huge improvement, and eliminates "notchiness".

If you search various forums you'll find some threads that say synthetics are much better, one that says Tremec says not to use synthetic, and threads that tout one of these over the other. I find shift quality is affected by the lubricant, and D4ATF seems to do better in cold weather than any of the alternatives. My overall favorite is MTL; I don't care about the warranty risk so I use it in warm weather. I found no difference over the stock fluid with Mobil-1 ATF; I've never tried Amsoil.

I'm always amazed by the amount of metal in transmission and differential fluids after only 5K miles, so I drain them at least every other year. About 10K miles, for me. Cheap insurance. If you only keep your cars for less than 50K miles you're really doing it for the next owner.
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Old Feb 24, 2006 | 11:01 AM
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I recently put in Royal Purple Synchromax. It made the shifts alot smoother.
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I'm always amazed by the amount of metal in transmission and differential fluids after only 5K miles, so I drain them at least every other year. About 10K miles, for me. Cheap insurance. If you only keep your cars for less than 50K miles you're really doing it for the next owner.
Does the C6 MN6 have a drain plug, or do you have to suck it out?
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Does the C6 MN6 have a drain plug, or do you have to suck it out?
Anyone do a DIY write up on how to change the Manual Tranny fluid?

What all it entails, tools, fluids and qty's.

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Does the C6 MN6 have a drain plug, or do you have to suck it out?
It has a drain plug at the rear of the transmission on the driver's side. I believe it takes a 3/8" square drive.

Be forewarned when you change transmission fluid... you need to warm up the transmission first by driving it. Five miles seems to work for the C5/C6. Then when you drain it always remove the fill plug FIRST (this ensures you won't drain the fluid without being able to refill it), and the warmed transmission fluid will come out like water - it splashes everywhere. Just fair warning.
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Is it a matter of just draining out the old and putting in the new or do you have to flush the system out before putting something different in?
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Originally Posted by CorvetteRL
OK... I hear rumors about new fluids available that make a big difference. Question: What fluid do you have and what difference did it make... also, does it void warranty? Thanks in advance!
As mentioned above, the requirement is for a fluid meeting Dexron III standards, so any fluid you use that meets that standard should not result in any warranty issues.

I use AMSOIL ATF in my Z06 which sees exclusive track use.

Most of my customers that switch from the stock fluid to AMSOIL ATF report improved shift feel. Here is a recent quote from an email a new customer of mine sent this month:

"Thanks for helping me out with all the Amsoil questions, I appreciate it. I changed all my fluids and everything went smoothly without a problem. I do find the car does run better. But, I think the biggest difference I felt was after I changed the differential and transmission fluids. The shifts are so much smoother. The car wants to be driven hard."
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That said, I've read the same thing from most guys that switch from the stock fluid to any decent synthetic such as AMSOIL, Redline, etc.
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A couple of things to look for on the container of your transmission oil (if you want to be able to take advantage of your warranty some day.)

Straight from the 2006 owners manual:

DEXRON®-III Automatic
Transmission Fluid. Look for
“Approved for the H-Specification”
on the label.
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Remember, if the Vette automatic transmission is like many other automatic transmissions there is a filter the requires you drop the transmission pan to change. Also, if the torque converter in the Vette is like other torque converters, it retains a major amount of transmission fluid that will not drain by itself. There are transmission shops that offer a power purge that forces this retained (and contaminated) fluid out of the torque converter and replaces it with clean fluid.
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Originally Posted by PappyTinker
Remember, if the Vette automatic transmission is like many other automatic transmissions there is a filter the requires you drop the transmission pan to change. Also, if the torque converter in the Vette is like other torque converters, it retains a major amount of transmission fluid that will not drain by itself. There are transmission shops that offer a power purge that forces this retained (and contaminated) fluid out of the torque converter and replaces it with clean fluid.
It's not obvious from reading the thread, but I believe we are discussing manual transmissions.
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Originally Posted by SteveM10
Is it a matter of just draining out the old and putting in the new or do you have to flush the system out before putting something different in?
There is no flush required, just drain and refill. It is my experience, however, that the best shift feel benefits are indeed felt after the second synthetic drain and fill, implying that a flushing of sorts is beneficial. Nonetheless, I know of no other manual transmission flush chemical other than the transmission fluid itself suitable for this use. I'd order four quarts per fill, though I never completely use all four. You'll need a pump to get the fluid into the transmission. Also, make sure the car is about level, front-to-back and side-to-side when performing the drain and fill.
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Originally Posted by xs650
It's not obvious from reading the thread, but I believe we are discussing manual transmissions.
Sorry, we are discussing manual transmissions. Changing automatic transmission fluid is a different topic altogether. I've never met anyone that changed out C5 or C6 auto trans fluid for a synthetic, but it would be a very expensive operation. You'd have to have a shop do it that has one of those machines that swap all of the fluid, even the stuff in the torque converter, and it would take many quarts of whatever synthetic you chose, like maybe 15+, since the transmission holds 13 quarts and the flush operation is not perfectly efficient. Mucho bucks. If I were racing an automatic I might consider it, but othewise I'd stick with the stock fluid and just change it every 50K miles. (That's what GM recommends for hard use.) And GM lists the replacement fluid as Dextron VI for the '06, which I've seen nothing like in the aftermarket.

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Originally Posted by Irv
There is no flush required, just drain and refill. It is my experience, however, that the best shift feel benefits are indeed felt after the second synthetic drain and fill, implying that a flushing of sorts is beneficial. Nonetheless, I know of no other manual transmission flush chemical other than the transmission fluid itself suitable for this use. I'd order four quarts per fill, though I never completely use all four. You'll need a pump to get the fluid into the transmission. Also, make sure the car is about level, front-to-back and side-to-side when performing the drain and fill.
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Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned that the transmission should be warmed up by at least a 5 minute drive.

The hotter it is, the faster the oil will drain out and the more debris it will take with it. It's better to drain the oil right after a long high speed run.

If you also lift the rear of the car so the wheels are off the ground and run it for minute or so to stir the oil up right before you drain it, you will drain even more debris out. I don't expect that stirring the oil will make an earthshaking improvement, but it's a definite move in the right direction.
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