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From: Muncie, Indiana ...... Can I buy an amplifier on time ... I ani't got no money now but I'll pay you before I die
Version 2 NAV Update
Some of you may not really want to be in any hurry to get the version 2 update. I got a copy in the mail today that abrimberry was kind enough to send me. I tried it out this afternoon and in my area this version is a definite two steps backwards. With version 1 I could enter a destination and the navigation would begin instructions starting at my driveway. I could turn down any of the small county roads and it would make adjustments. With version 2 I have to drive a mile before I get to the first road that it recognizes. And the small county roads although they appear on the screen it says it cannot provide navigation assistance in this area. I've driving down many old roads today that were recognized by the previous version, but it just doesn't work with version 2. It seems like they can only put so much information on a disc so they've taken away information from some places in order to provide more information to others.
I have not heard anyone else state the DVD had less information or was less accurate.
Flawed DVD with corrupted data or temporary lack of GPS signal where you were driving?
I wonder if you did the Navigation system updates already? If so, have you been driving the car in the winter with the 1.0 DVD after the updates and had no issues, then installed version 2.0 DVD and had issues? If the car has been in the garage all winter perhaps drive around in 1.0 to see if it has any issues after the navigation update and drive down the same roads. Once with both DVD's and note what happens and look for the GPS being crossed out when it says it can not provide information.
If DVD 1.0 works great and 2.0 does not on identical roads then I would say it either just contains less information which would seem odd, or it may have bad data on the DVD. The only way to figure out bad data would be to try another 2.0 DVD on same road, perhaps one that you have purchased or borrowed from another Corvette owner for testing.
Or maybe there is nothing wrong with the DVD or the vehicle. Perhaps DVDs are like old people. The only way they can remember new things is to clear up some space by forgetting something else?
From: Muncie, Indiana ...... Can I buy an amplifier on time ... I ani't got no money now but I'll pay you before I die
Originally Posted by montivette
I have not heard anyone else state the DVD had less information or was less accurate.
Flawed DVD with corrupted data or temporary lack of GPS signal where you were driving?
I wonder if you did the Navigation system updates already? If so, have you been driving the car in the winter with the 1.0 DVD after the updates and had no issues, then installed version 2.0 DVD and had issues? If the car has been in the garage all winter perhaps drive around in 1.0 to see if it has any issues after the navigation update and drive down the same roads. Once with both DVD's and note what happens and look for the GPS being crossed out when it says it can not provide information.
If DVD 1.0 works great and 2.0 does not on identical roads then I would say it either just contains less information which would seem odd, or it may have bad data on the DVD. The only way to figure out bad data would be to try another 2.0 DVD on same road, perhaps one that you have purchased or borrowed from another Corvette owner for testing.
Or maybe there is nothing wrong with the DVD or the vehicle. Perhaps DVDs are like old people. The only way they can remember new things is to clear up some space by forgetting something else?
GPS signal was fine. I've had the frameware updates installed for some time and version 1 worked with it. Today with the version 2 it just does not recognize small secondary roads anymore. Although they appear on the screen the system states it does not have information for this area. Version 1 worked just fine on the small secondary roads in the same area just fine. I even put version 1 back in today and went over the same roads that version 2 had no information on and version 1 still worked fine. I think they have just left some information off for old areas in order to put new information for new areas. The disc can only hold so much data. So they have to have a give and take. Like you said in the last paragraph.
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Junkie,
After reading your post here, it now makes sense. Last week I took a day trip to a part of NC I had never been to before. Farm land, but I was on a major road. I entered a street address which was off this major road and the nav found the address, but stopped giving directions when I was about to turn off this road. Same statement you had "cannot provide navigation assistance in this area". I thought that was weird, it knows the address but wont guide me all the way there. Figured it was because I was out in the middle of nowhere.
My old subdivision with the 1.0 dvd map listed the roads, but it could not give you guidance on them. It told you to use the directional arrow and distance to get there once you entered the subdivision. I still have the 1.0 dvd map, and I haven't been back to MS in the past 6 months since I moved to TX.
Interesting indeed. One of the idiosyncracies of 2.0 is that it doesn't give proper guidance around the connection of Rte.'s 46, 80 & 287, which is a MAJOR intersection here in North Jersey. Fortunately I know my way around them so it's no big deal, but for someone outside the area they could easily be sent on a 15 minute detour . 1.0 had no such issues.
Despite that, I've 2.0 to be a vast improvement overall .
EDIT: By proper guidance I mean it doesn't tell you to stay in a certain lane to stay on the current road, and being major highways there's no quick turnarounds if you end up on the wrong one .
In the "for what it is worth" category, I am having the exact same issues as Corvette Junkie is reporting. The local detail appears to be mostly there but grayed out and road names are missing etc..
Have not yet taken a long trip with this disk to see how it works there.
John
Just to experiment I took the 2006 Hummer's Nav disc (Version 4.1) and put it in my 05 Vette....it didn't work. Now the 4.1 version had corrections in the local highways that version 1 or 2 of the vette didn't correct. For the most part though, everything else is very similiar.
When I bought my new Hummer I negotiated a version 2 disc for my vette to be thrown in. It saved me a few bucks but I can't see the value at the present price. You can get updated versions of online games (I play ultima online) for about 10 to 20 bucks....now that is a fair value.
Maybe this is an issue pertaining only to those with copies? Maybe some anti copy script which gets you lost on purpose, or guides you to the local police station. (just kidding)
Does anybody have the original DVD Version 2.0 (not copied) which came with their Corvette or which they paid $100+ for and is experiencing issues? And if so which model year Corvette do you have. And if a 2005 did you perform the radio upgrade to allow MP3?
The reason I ask, is if the issue is not related to a faulty copy, but also happens on non copied DVD's, I am sure we would like to hear about it. Because if it is happening on the noncopied DVD 2.0 people will think twice before shelling out $100+ for a new DVD only to find out it is worse than version 1.0.
And if you have these issues with non copied DVDs, I would be interested to know if your Vette is a 2005, and whether you perfomed the Navigation System updates to enable MP3.
I am not saying there is issues with the upgrade. But it could be ruled out or proven to be an issue by figuring out who is having the issues. If no 2006 owner is having the issues, well then it could relate to 2005 owners. And if the 2005 owners are the ones with issues and all of them upgraded the Nav system, then maybe the upgrade caused some issue. And if 2005 owners without the upgrade drive down the same road and have no issues then for sure the upgrade is causing some issue. And if it did, then we would want to isolate as to whether the stereo part number was the one which GM said could be updated, or the one which should not be updated.
I don't want to cause panic to all those who upgraded. I am just trying to encourage more feedback from various peope to help isolate what is causing 2.0 DVD's to be less accurate/ less helpful.
Maybe it will turn out it is just a DVD issue whether copied or not copied. But maybe it could be some other variable?
From: Muncie, Indiana ...... Can I buy an amplifier on time ... I ani't got no money now but I'll pay you before I die
It would impossible for an 06 owner to know of any issue. Since they never had a version 1 disc they won't know if the info is missing on their version 2 disc.
Maybe this is an issue pertaining only to those with copies? Maybe some anti copy script which gets you lost on purpose, or guides you to the local police station. (just kidding)
Does anybody have the original DVD Version 2.0 (not copied) which came with their Corvette or which they paid $100+ for and is experiencing issues? And if so which model year Corvette do you have. And if a 2005 did you perform the radio upgrade to allow MP3?
And if you have these issues with non copied DVDs, I would be interested to know if your Vette is a 2005, and whether you perfomed the Navigation System updates to enable MP3.
I don't want to cause panic to all those who upgraded. I am just trying to encourage more feedback from various peope to help isolate what is causing 2.0 DVD's to be less accurate/ less helpful.
Maybe it will turn out it is just a DVD issue whether copied or not copied. But maybe it could be some other variable?
I'm pretty sure that the MP3 upgrade has nothing to do with the NAV operation of the radio. They are two different things. For the record: my car is a 2005 and I did the MP3 update on my radio myself.
I have both versions of the NAV discs (1 and 2) and I made myself a backup copy of the originals so that I could keep the originals safe in my desk drawer. I'm running the copy of version 2 in my car right now and have not experienced any problems at all. I think where the car is actually located has a lot to do with what kind of information is available. The map makers are at the mercy of the cities and counties to make the map information available so that it can be put on the disc. This does not always happen so there are holes. I think this might be more of the reason for the missing navigational instructions.
I can tell you this. I did visit a friend who lives in a very rural area up in the foothills and when I got close to his house, I noticed some of the detail went away. Since I was in the testing stages at that time and had just made my backup copy of version 2, I took the original disc with me on my trip. I pulled over and inserted the original disc and I got exactly the same display as my backup copy. There was no difference between the original and the copy. I was able to get to his house by following the arrow on the screen and watching the distance. It actually wasn't that bad because it got me close enough to see his house. His closest neighbor is 4 miles away.
Finally, I'll say that the version 2 disc has more files on it than the version 1 disc so there has to be more information on the version 2. I don't think any files were left off version 2 as someone stated. There is actually still more space available on the Dual Layer disc after all the version 2 files were backed up so they didn't run out of disc space and therefore no reason to leave any files off the disc.
I hope this helps answer some of the questions.
Last edited by quickride; Mar 5, 2006 at 08:07 PM.
I have an 05 vette,with the nav update.I found that the update had erased all of my stored addresses in the nav memory.I put the addresses back.I bought 2.0 disc no trouble at all..............
From: Muncie, Indiana ...... Can I buy an amplifier on time ... I ani't got no money now but I'll pay you before I die
Originally Posted by quickride
Finally, I'll say that the version 2 disc has more files on it than the version 1 disc so there has to be more information on the version 2. I don't think any files were left off version 2 as someone stated. There is actually still more space available on the Dual Layer disc after all the version 2 files were backed up so they didn't run out of disc space and therefore no reason to leave any files off the disc.
All I can say is that where I live there are many rather large areas that are covered by verbal directions with version 1 disc that are no longer covered with the copy of version 2 that I have.
Last edited by Corvette Junkie; Mar 5, 2006 at 09:11 PM.
All I can say is that where I live there are many rather large areas that are covered by verbal directions with version 1 disc that are no longer covered with the copy of version 2 that I have.
I guess we will never really have the correct answers. It certainly sounds like they changed the data even though there appears to be more data on the version 2 disc. They must have added in some areas and taken away from others.