i whole heartedly dissagree. Your connections matter more then a degree, and i feel i can say this because i have my degree.

I forgot the specific numbers, but when i was looking at the forbes riches person's list i remember calculating that somewhere around 50% of the top 25 richest people in the world were college drop-outs.

An education is important, yes, however it is nowhere near the determining factor in which an individual is successful.

 

one more comment about the insurence issue. its going to cost me 4grand a year to insure my vette and my pos honda. I've never had any sort of accident or claim on my insurance other then a few speeding tickets in 7 years of driving. When you're younger, the insurance company's really bend you over and there really isn't anything you can do about it.

I'll be turning 25 next year so i'll catch a break there. knock on wood.

 

yup, i'm 42, went ta collage.......twiste.......one of those times wuz
for almost 6 hole months. imagine that.

by the way, i have ah 04 zo6, ah 04 e500 and ah 06 maxima.
and 2 houses.

collage is impotent......let me repeat........VERY bery importante.
(even took spanich.)

thats all fer nowl..........buhbye.

 

Absolutely, but even then there are exceptions.
But those exceptions usually end up at MIT.

I interview guys who goto school for audio, and they spend 50-100k to learn. 99 percent of them are worthless.
1 percent is worth the crap on my shoe but at least it is on my shoe.

So I'll give them a chance. Most even then are worthless. Can't retain anything, no self motivation, think that they deserve a big chance because they went to school.
Guy comes in, experienced, no degree. Better attitude, better retention of things taught, no problem working toward something more.

This is the biggest thing I found in both industries. Audio and Networking.
It is like a Porsche guy and a Vette guy.
Humble Vette guy, arrogant Porsche guy.

Vette guy blows Porsche guy off the road. Everytime.
I have 4 assistants. Okay now 3. I have had 20 over the past 2 years.
Most of them worthless. 2 had potental.

1st one I had expected a mixing chair 2 weeks after being there. Out the door. Degree dude. Selling Fitness equipment now.

Doctors, sure you need the school. Astropysics, yes. Chemical engineering yes.
Marketing yes and no.
Advertising, not really.
Investing, yes and no. I know several brokers who went from high school to an investment firm, that do far better than guys how have degrees.
Many of the business owners I know as well, started their own business and do better than most with degrees and have no loan to pay.

Look at hippie. Cool parents. has a trade that he likes to do and get paid a ton on cash.
Won't be suprised if we see him with his own how on Discovery Channel, making more than all of us.

Everything I have done in the 34 years of my life I have taught myself.
From guitar, Violin, Piano, to building computers, programming, composing music for film, mixing and cutting for film.
Building a studio, putting all the pieces of gear together ect.

I didn't need a degree to do that. I just spent the time reading everything I could get my hands on. And when you can show and correct someone who is alot more connected, that in itself goes along way.

It did for me.

Rant off.

LEX

 

Dad....is that you?? You never told me you bought a vette!

 

Do you understand what "this day and age means?" All the people on the top 25 are 45+ years old. Try getting a white collar job today without a degree.

 

I make well over that and have NO degree what-so-ever. It depends on the area of work you want to get into. A little experience and brains go just as far as a degree in some areas.

 

several of my coworkers have no degree and they make as much if not more money then myself. Degree's are important, yes, but not the end all-tell all.

obviously in some professions it's needed.

 

And when instability and layoffs come guess who's first against the wall. A degree trumps "experience" every time. For example, I have a lot of "experience" in the stock market, but is Goldman Sachs going to hire me as their Senior Financial Analyst? Not with out a MBA+.

 

"IN THIS DAY AND AGE" are your co-workers 18-22 years old?

 

I am in the car business and have a VERY secure job. Since I have started here my income has more than doubled over the last couple years and I Just got awarded manager of the year as well. I know I'm safe here, but if not the experience I have gained here will easily get me another job making the same or more. So yes, there always is the exception, but I like being the exception.

 

Come on guys lets stop debating on what it takes to be successful or make money! We all have one thing in common and that is the love for one of the finest automobiles on the planet...THE CORVETTE

Now everyone let's get together and do one of these .

 

Thanks for the kind words man, im like you I taught myself how to play drums, bass and guitar, some stuff about computers (trail and error, lol) I even built my own drumset. Completely, in the end it was more than having one built, but i did it myself, and it was fun. I know some people may think its hard to believe ive done as much with cars as i have, but i guess i just got my foot in thedoor and had at it, and i havent stopped since....... and to the wyotech graduate- congrats man! I was gonna do autobody, high perf engine and chassis, upholstery, and iforget the third mini class iwas gonna take, and when i meant udont get certs, you do, but you have to pay for them...... was a waste to me, when my work pays for them.

 

Where there is a will, there is a way.

 

i'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. your attitude needs serious adjustment.

my BOSS, is 23 years old, and he makes over a 6 digit salary a year, and he only has a highschool degree...

Another of my coworkers is a top producer in the company and he just turned 20 last week.

One of my good friends is also a top producer, with just an associates degree from a local community college.

Thats my age, now lets go up some.

One of my coworkers, just turned 35, she had a 6 figure salary prior to coming to our company, and now she works for us.. Guess what? GASP! NO DEGREE.

i can keep going on, but i'm not going to waste my time.

In some fields a degree is needed, but not all. Obviously in your field it's needed, but dont assume that because of that its needed everywhere else.

 

Ah, ummmm, that is hilarious..LOL

 

I have to agree with this statement. I have supervisors working for me believe it or not that have their masters. However, their future rise up the ladder is in doubt because of some formidable challenges they face.
Big business is operating on a whole new play ground now and being a minority or female carries some pretty heavy weight in moving upward. Big business must make this fundemental change in how it operates to even be competitive, it's now about how the rest of the business world both stateside and abroad view you as a company or organization. In regards to experience, depending on what you do, your experience is becoming more important because it represents stability in certain aspects or functions of an organization. In other words, having a solid group of very experienced individuals provides for a great base that the company or organization can build from.

 

So I will throw in my $0.02 worth. Somebody posted "a degree trumps experience every time". Not really, bad thing to make an all encompassing statement. Maybe in his business yes, but not all. In my jobsite, most of the non degreed technicians make more than the managers. Now, who puts in more time? The non degreed technician, so hour for hour maybe the manager makes more. But the other side of that is the degreed managers are EXPECTED to work more than 40 hours a week for their salaries. No OT and only comp time. Layoffs? Well, it's pretty hard to run a nuclear power plant with only managers, you need the experienced tech to do that and you don't get that training from a classroom alone. You need "time in grade" to get good at your job here.
Lastly, it has been my experience, and many others in my line of work, that the more college a person has, the less common sense. That is in general, there are many who manage to maintain their common sense, but in general the statement holds true.
So basically, there are no rules but capitalism's.

 

"Lastly, it has been my experience, and many others in my line of work, that the more college a person has, the less common sense. "

Oh so true....I tell my guys all the time that I swear when the book knowledge was going in one ear, common sense was coming out the other. They want to engineer a Tornado proof structural cover brace when a bead of caulk will take care of the problem.

 

If this is so true to fact, why do people how make 100k -200k prefer to by proschr, farrari, lambs. Why do these people prefer sports cars or other cars costing more that 100k? Why do Doctors by vettes and higher end cars and still they get there cars repoed? Its the individual making the less amount of money who tends to try to do the best making their payments. Its the individuals making lots and lots of money that tends to by the 100k+ items. Statistics are what they use to be. If i had 60k i would know when that 60 k runs out. If one had 600k that person would most like be in shock because of over spending. The chapter 7 bankruptcy law was not changed because of the middle wage worker, it was changed because of the wealthy wage worker. If someone making 200k a year would to live in 200k homes they could live large but know. they would by 500k+ homes thus with such a costly home and the vehicles parked at the house (high dollar cars) they are in no different shape then the middle wage worker. Middle wage worker buys a pair of $100 shoes, wealthy wage worker buys a pair of $500 dollar sandals. DO the math and figure the statistics. Woman for instances are high maintenance by nature, They will spend 200 bucks on a purse, 150 for some sandals and $500 dollars for an outfit. What kind a car can they afford with that purchase. That same woman will still go out and buy a vette and still be in good shape. Where their is a will there is a way.Put back the case of MOET and pickup a case of DEER PARK. Who buys a car and finance it for 5years or & years without seriously thinking it through. I will tell you, the middle wage worker. Staistics dont mean diddle. If I were to file bankruptcy I will have to suffer because of my chose. Donald Trump does it and seems as all he did was tell the people he owed OH WELL SORRY MAYBE NEXT TIME, and starts a reality show or remodels his casino.