I signed up for the vehicle diagnostics............ well the bottom line is, you better behaive in an On-Star equip'd vehicle

http://www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/privacy_policy.jsp

 

 

Thinking about buying an 07. If onstar is standard I subtract the estimated add on from the msrp then begin negotiations with dealer. Otherwise it's a walk away.

Also, assuming I don't pay a cent for it I must still be convinced in advance that onstar can be totally , absolutely, and without doubt disabled from operation. Otherwise it's a walk away.

Those two tone seats are neat but I don't need a new C6 bad enough to overlook something as odious as onstar.

We all need to reread the novel 1984. If you have not read it do so before you buy a car with onstar. ....comply with court orders.....isn't that just so special?

step outa line the man from onstar come and take you away......

I can see it now...you taKe your onstar equipped car in for warranty service and they tell you that you've voided the warranty due to too many wot shifts or whatever. Essentially, they don't like the way you drive. Or a court issues a blanket warrant for all information that onstar may possess on any car that they know to have travelled in excess of some mph number. Then they say just to read the fine print that it's their judgment call not yours whether you have abused the car.

Whose car is it anyway?

what's that about sticking it where the sun don't shine???? that's the right place for onstar. IMO

 

Thanks for the info.

I haven't signed up yet.

Also, you can cancel your service which will disable OnStar's spying activity.

LEX

 

Has anyone actually heard of anyone getting in trouble with law enforcement via Onstar providing records during the course of an investigation? I know it says they will comply but I would be very surprised if Onstar readily provided that information without making LE jump through a bunch of hoops. I am assuming there are probably millions of people using Onstar and I have personally never heard of a case where Onstar readily provided incriminating evidence to LE.

If anyone has evidence that they have it would greatly change my perspective.

In my line of work I have never once heard any LE at any level local, state or federal discussing the possibilities and much of my work deals with technical monitoring of terrorist and organized crime. I would imagine Onstar would fight it since I assume it would be devestating to their service if people started getting jailed due to the service.

In my experience there is a massive difference between a company saying they will comply and them really doing it.

Frankly I don't worry about it I know things like the little grocery store loyalty cards and stuff like that, have far more potential for abuse by companies and groups like insurance industry/lawyers.

Fact of life is now a days unless you live in a pile of sticks and subsist off the land in the middle of the deep woods somewhere you can be monitored easily.

 

An example of everyone's fears already occurred years ago. Of note is that the company in question (I believe it was a Cadillac Onstar system but want to emphasize the word believe as the companies identity was protected in the opinion) actually complied with the FBI and monitored the car for 30 days. Also, it appears the reason they won in the court of appeals is that they were monitoring conversations in the car instead of wire conversations where they would be compelled to comply.

Here's a copy of the opinion:Court of appeals opinion

 

The reason that the company (presumably OnStar) won in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is because the court found that such monitoring caused more than "minimal disruption" to the service. In fact, most of the OnStar services become completely inoperative when the system is used in this manner.

 

Well, well, well.............

 

Sounds like a plot line for another Oliver Stone movie.

 

Yes, I understood this as well. However, the issue of it being more akin to a bugging device than a wire transmission would likely be the future sticking point. I'm sure the disabling of service could be overcome in a manner not unlike call-waiting. This is all a guess on my part though.

 

There have been several reports in the car magazines about a test driver flinging the car around and being suddenly called by OnStar "Sir, you car is being driven erratically. Are you in an accident or in trouble?" The answer from me is "None of your ####### business". As you may have guessed, i ordered my car without OnStar.

 

I have Onstar and I really don't car what they do with the information. I don't break the law...well most of the time I am within 15 mph of the speed limit.

I don't know what you guys are so worried about. The government is already monitoring you in other ways.

 

Big brother says, "Hi."

 

today onstar is not much of a problem, later, who knows. Now that we don't have many rights that the government cant step on - legally- now, who knows. Every state is looking at E-Z pass enforcement for speeding tickets. Your average speed is calculated and who knows what will happed after enough people get it. They can't enforce much while they are signing people up. Wait until you have to have it or be pushed into 1 lane and wait for 30 min to pay a toll, then they got ya. and that day is almost here if you pay attention to toll plazas.

 

You have NAV, right? Who knows how much info about your position, speed, etc is available to Big Brother from GPS satellites for that system?

Hey, I watch Alias. I know they can do stuff.

 

I knew that NAV chick is nothing but two timing *****

 

 

Be careful what you say here. Be very careful. The wrong words will trigger big brother to check you out!

 

The NAV System is one way. They cannot monitor your location by the NAV. ONSTAR SUCKS!! My vette was ordered without. Maybe someday your dealer will want some extra cash and they will disable your car and you will have to take it for service. If the Onstar screws up guess who has to pay to fix and diagnose it.

If you want the safety / security (the only good part) there are other ways of achieving it.

I have two Cadillacs both with ONSTAR neither is subscribed, but I was forced to pay for them when the cars were purchased, something I will never be sucked into again.

 

Interesting! Not to single you out personally, but it almost sounds like people like you have "something" to hide-I wonder about that sometimes-Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?! I noticed your profile is about as "informationless" as you can get. Why is that? Hiding something, maybe?