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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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Bottom line: I have never owned a car before my C6 that made me actually look forward to going to work!
I have to agree with that point...I don't take my car to work, but it is the first car I've owned that I can't wait to get home from work & drive it no where in particular.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 04:28 PM
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I had a 2004 convertible with zero problems; however, I HAD to have a C6 so that I could get museum delivery. I did that in March and have had zero problems. I will NOT have the delamination problem as I have a convertible that I LOVE! A fellow owner drove my car and said that it was as quiet as his wife's C5!

Order and get museum delivery and it will be worth every penny and the museum staff will do a real quality control on the car! They replace my front left fender due to a silver paint dot about 1/32 of an inch big! I did not see it, they pointed it out!

That being said, I do not drive my car regularly but do drive it as much as I want. If you have multiple vehicles and will be using this as a toy then do it! You won't regret it!
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by luckyj
I'm reading about the tops delaminating, dash rattles, volume & cut out issues with the XM radio, poor wheel alignment from factory, paint issues, leaking window washer fluid, etc.
Don't forget that people arn't going to complain when there cars are working fine... Furthermore, for some, the only reason to goto a forum is to find a solution to their problem. If 80% of CF posts are negative you can't assume that 80% of corvette owners have had issues.

All forums exaggerate problems. Like I said before, people aren't going to make a post when their brakes are working, but one will if they don't.

I know about 5 people with C6s. Only one has had a problem. A bad sensor which was an easy fix..

Good luck.

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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 04:34 PM
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Guys, I started this post to get the input I'm getting but I had one other motive. I was a Quality Assurance manager from 1968 until I retired last year. Why can't GM produce the quality Japan does? As Dr. Deming, who is the father of the Japanese quality turnaround said, it's because of three things. Management, management and management. GM makes burnt toast and hires people to convince us we will love burnt toast. Their motto for years was "we are no worse than anyone else". I thought they were getting the message in the late 1980's, but I should have known better. If I did not bleed Corvette red, white and blue, I would keep the M45 and go on with life. You can take the boy out of a Corvette, but you cannot take the Corvette out of the boy. I just wish GM "got it" on the quality issue.

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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 04:43 PM
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I find it difficult to compare a Infinity to a Corvette in quality. Infinity wins that easily. But. you are comparing a Luxury car to a sports car. You would fall in love with the C6 my friend.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 04:51 PM
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Luckyj,

I have to agree with others about GM and quality. My 2005 has 2800 miles on it and, so far, 4 days in the shop. That's 2 service days for every 1,000 miles and doesn't make me very happy.

HOWEVER!!! I love the car, owning one has been a dream for 30+ years and I finally arrived. Once the little bugs get worked out, I will have the most fun vehicle one could ever ask for. Once a corvette lover, always a corvette lover!
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by luckyj
Guys, I started this post to get the input I'm getting but I had one other motive. I was a Quality Assurance manager from 1968 until I retired last year. Why can't GM produce the quality Japan does? As Dr. Deming, who is the father of the Japanese quality turnaround said, it's because of three things. Management, management and management. GM makes burnt toast and hires people to convince us we will love burnt toast. Their motto for years was "we are no worse than anyone else". I thought they were getting the message in the late 1980's, but I should have known better. If I did not bleed Corvette red, white and blue, I would keep the M45 and go on with life. You can take the boy out of a Corvette, but you cannot take the Corvette out of the boy. I just wish GM "got it" on the quality issue.

Jim
Luckyj, I hear what you are saying and agree with you 150%! I all I can say is why can't GM make a car with Infiniti/Lexus quality with Corvette engineering?? We should not have to settle for "Don't expect Lexus quality, but instead you get 400hp!" I am sorry but all on this forum spent a pretty penny on their cars and should expect Lexus/Infiniti/etc...type qualilty and SERVICE on their Corvette. Sometimes it appears that not accepting the best is OK if there are enough excuses and reasons to justify the quality and service we get .


BTW I love my C6 and it is worlds above my C5 Call it love at first sight or love during first drive .
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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Don't compare the C6 with any Japanese car when you are talking quality. They will not be the same. However name another Japanese car that can incite your passions and make you smile every time you drive it. The C6 may have warts and imperfections but she is still the prettiest girl you can take to the party. And she dances better then any of them.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 05:37 PM
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Not True. I have a Lexus RX400h and zero problems. It it far more advanced than the 6C. American Cars are fun but quality is not even close to Lexus. I love my C6 but do not expect a quality build. It is fun to drive but has the looks but not the reliability.
Well I don't know about anyone else, but if I spend 50+ grand on any car....... I DO EXPECT QUALITY!!. I think my C6 "IS" a quality piece.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 05:48 PM
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I think 07 should be good year for the C6. Many of the wide spread issues have been addressed with improved parts and production changes. The only "new" technology is the steering wheels audio controls but they have lived in some other cars already.

So far my 05 has been good to me but I have ignored some little things, like many other C6s owners do, because I don't want to risk having them made worse at one the local GM SUV and Truck repairs shops.

As many have stated before, GM needs to move the Vette over to Cadillac where there may be some hope of receiving the quality of service work the price tag of this cars deserves.

I think a lot of the customers meltdowns we see here are caused or made worse by poorly trained and/or motivated people working on your car. I have to drive 25 miles to find a dealer that I feel understands the car I bought and I drive by 4 other Chevy dealers on the way.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jmess
I think 07 should be good year for the C6. Many of the wide spread issues have been addressed with improved parts and production changes. The only "new" technology is the steering wheels audio controls but they have lived in some other cars already.

So far my 05 has been good to me but I have ignored some little things, like many other C6s owners do, because I don't want to risk having them made worse at one the local GM SUV and Truck repairs shops.

As many have stated before, GM needs to move the Vette over to Cadillac where there may be some hope of receiving the quality of service work the price tag of this cars deserves.

I think a lot of the customers meltdowns we see here are caused or made worse by poorly trained and/or motivated people working on your car. I have to drive 25 miles to find a dealer that I feel understands the car I bought and I drive by 4 other Chevy dealers on the way.
As I have said on another thread along the same topic lines...dealers needs to service ALL cars professionally. Even if you are poor & can only afford the most basic model, why should you suffer poor repair jobs or not having your vehicle treated carefully? Whether it is a Corvette or an S-10, you are still paying the same hourly rate for a mechanic. It aint cheap to have a dealer fix your car, no matter what it is, it is unacceptable to pay a lot of money and get poor service.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 06:27 PM
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10,500+ miles no problems. Keep it factory stock.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 06:46 PM
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2001 C5, no problems, 2006 C6 no problems, guess I am lucky, think I will go and buy a lottery ticket.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 06:48 PM
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It is a shame that you've had to deal with more than your share of issues from the Corvette but I would still tell you that it is not indicative of the overall build quality of the car.

This issue comes up from time to time and my response is always the same. These are community forums that exist almost solely for "owners helping owners". What I mean by that is most folks ( the new owner posts and the picture threads not withstanding ) post on here to get help for some issue. General Motors makes 35,000 Corvettes per year what you find on this board is roughly 3,000 active members that read and post with some frequency. Most of those posts are seeking help and in most cases that is what brought the member to the board in the first place.

No one (well, hardly anyone) posts to say - had a great day, no problems here. So as a member and or a reader here you are exposed to far more than a typical sampling of owners and far more than a statistical norm or problems seeking resolution.

Bottom line, every car has its issues, when you join an enthusiast forum you get exposed to more of them then you would otherwise. I drove my '97 for 4 years. It had 59,000 miles on it and it was 9 years old when I traded it in. My trade netted me 5k over book value and that car never gave me a single problem that I couldn't live with. It had the noisy fuel pump and the rocking seat. Both are quality defects and problems that you will read a lot about over in the C5 section. At the end of the day I wouldn't trade one minute of the time that I spent in that car. I all ready feel the same way about my C6. These are amazing automobiles and on the performance curve they are worth well more what we pay. For that relative bargain I am a little more accepting of a fews "warts" so to speak. I've owned an '84, '97 and '05 all first year models and will do it again. My two cents firmly deposited.

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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 07:27 PM
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I would look other places for quality issues as well. I think any forum will tend to magnify any perceived quality issues. I'm not saying the C6 is perfect. I've been lucky and haven't had any issues. One thing you will find here is great information from a lot of knowledgeable people, people a lot more knowledgeable than me. If you have small issues or questions, you'll usually get a quick concise response and many times that will resolve the issue. Noted exceptions: DBS and delamination of painted roofs.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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I'm someone who is trying to decide whether or not to order a 2007 Coupe. When I got my new 2003 Coupe in 2003, it came with the front engine seal leaking like a sieve and the passenger floorboard was soaked with water. I now drive a 2004 Infiniti M45 and will have had it two years in August. Zero problems, none. I have had 5 previous Vettes, all with quality issues. I've got the Vette bug again but the more I read this forum, the more discouraged I get. I'm reading about the tops delaminating, dash rattles, volume & cut out issues with the XM radio, poor wheel alignment from factory, paint issues, leaking window washer fluid, etc.

I think the C6 is beautiful and am dying to get back in the family. But I don't want to go back to spending my life going back to the dealer to get things fixed. A friend of mine is the automotive sales manager for a major GM supplier. He is very concerned about GM's attitide towards suppliers because of GM's financial woes. He thinks suppliers are fed up with GM and wonders about the supplier's concern with providing GM a quality part.

Well enough of the doom & gloom. I'm still leaning towards making an order. But I am doing a lot of thinking. Thanks.

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So you want us to try and talk you into going ahead and ordering the C6???????

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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 07:37 PM
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I'm always amazed how some people will defend GM and Corvette no matter what or how bad it may be. I love my Vette and it is my 5th one and I may buy again. But, I know just because it is a Corvette does not mean improvements can not be made. It is nice, but not a perfect car for sure.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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Guys, I started this post to get the input I'm getting but I had one other motive. I was a Quality Assurance manager from 1968 until I retired last year. Why can't GM produce the quality Japan does? As Dr. Deming, who is the father of the Japanese quality turnaround said, it's because of three things. Management, management and management. GM makes burnt toast and hires people to convince us we will love burnt toast. Their motto for years was "we are no worse than anyone else". I thought they were getting the message in the late 1980's, but I should have known better. If I did not bleed Corvette red, white and blue, I would keep the M45 and go on with life. You can take the boy out of a Corvette, but you cannot take the Corvette out of the boy. I just wish GM "got it" on the quality issue.

Jim
I also was a QA manager in a precision high tech mfg company for yeras. I disagree with you partly. Yes, it is management to a degree but mostly it is the workforce and social/cultural standards relating to individual responsibility-lots in Japan and little in the US.

Also, keep in mind that quality systems are very sophisticated today. Control variables are carefully chosen and constantly monitored. The problem is, IMO, that companies engineer their products right near the design acceptance point with little buffer. Therefore, tolerances have to be held very close or the final product degrades rapidly.

However, with a largely bored and uncommitted workforce thinking only about the next holiday or case of beer , tolerances are not held and corners are cut on what's acceptable. People look the other way when they have to meet production goals.

I have a hunch that the Corvette meets most of the quality objectives that GM sets for its manufacturing plant. Problem is that they set the objectives low to save money. They have to save money on the product to be able to afford to pay assembly line workers as much as entry level medical doctors plus all the benefits and pension.

IMO vette assembly should be sent to Japan and it would not bother me a bit.
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I'm always amazed how some people will defend GM and Corvette no matter what or how bad it may be. I love my Vette and it is my 5th one and I may buy again. But, I know just because it is a Corvette does not mean improvements can not be made. It is nice, but not a perfect car for sure.

If someone has a problem, what advantage is there to be anything but truthful? I don't think anyone will defend ANY car mfg. if there are repeated problems. BTW...Improvements can be made to all cars, whether inexpensive or very expensive.
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Originally Posted by luckyj
Guys, I started this post to get the input I'm getting but I had one other motive. I was a Quality Assurance manager from 1968 until I retired last year. Why can't GM produce the quality Japan does? As Dr. Deming, who is the father of the Japanese quality turnaround said, it's because of three things. Management, management and management. GM makes burnt toast and hires people to convince us we will love burnt toast. Their motto for years was "we are no worse than anyone else". I thought they were getting the message in the late 1980's, but I should have known better. If I did not bleed Corvette red, white and blue, I would keep the M45 and go on with life. You can take the boy out of a Corvette, but you cannot take the Corvette out of the boy. I just wish GM "got it" on the quality issue.

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That's why I'm 2nd on the list to get the '08 Toyota Supra V8, 450 hp I'll always have a Vette, but my *** cars have always been awesome. They just didn't have a competitor for the Vette when I got my C6. I'll keep my C6, but I cannot wait for the upcoming Supra. My 1998 Supra had 0 defects in 8 years and sold for $8,900 more than I paid for it.
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