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Melting Slicks
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GM is not perfect. Nobody is. They are TRYING to fix the problem.
I never expect things to go perfect. I only want a concerned response and remedy.
Isn't it scary knowing that there are people out there with their finger on the "lawsuit" button? Makes you not want to leave the house.
Burning Brakes
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Originally Posted by own2vettes
Lawyers. Its always about money. Never about justice. As a physician, its always perplexed me that malpractice suits always wind up being about money. If a surgeon goes in and botches something up, gets sued and loses, why is it that part of the judgement is never a mandatory refresher course on surgical technique, anatomy, etc...? I'll tell you why: the suits are perpetuated by the attorneys who are only after money. They could care less if a surgeon is a hack or if a roof panel flies off for that matter. Hell, the worse a surgeon remains or the longer a roof panel stays unfixed, the better the chances for more mishaps and thus more lawsuits. 
Where are those blood sucking anesthesiologists? 
Let's all agree that us lawyers are bastards, but to the original post, the class action suit will only be as beneficial to the Vette owners as the lead plaintiff (and controlling lawyer) allows it to be. If you can get somebody friendly to the plight and not out for money (I know, I know), it could be a good thing, but GM appears to be trying to address the issue, and quite frankly, I doubt there is enough money in this for the real vampires you guys are so worried about.
Team Owner
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Originally Posted by Big Ron 77
I have found that with doctors and surgeons...money seems to be an issue as well. If someone has no insurance or insufficient funds, do you write it off, or send out the collection hounds?
That being said, as a patient I was sent to collection a few years ago by a computerized radiology group. There was a dispute of a double bill on a chest x-ray. The unpaid bill was like $19, and my total medical bills were over $130K! It took 2 years to get that out of my record!
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Originally Posted by nuvetteowner
This roof problem is very unfair to us hard working people who save up and buy these cars expecting to have the joy that a vette is supposed to bring.
Instead we are stuck with this roof problem that should have never happened in the first place!
If there is a class action law suit ,will most everyone here participate?
Instead we are stuck with this roof problem that should have never happened in the first place!
If there is a class action law suit ,will most everyone here participate?
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Last edited by corvettetanner; Jun 22, 2006 at 01:00 PM.
Burning Brakes
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From: Dallas TX
Originally Posted by Hoonose
Of course money is an issue, but quality health care is the bottom line. We usually take partial or discounted payments if need be, and we write off bills and accounts every day. Rarely do we send anyone to collection. Maybe an odd and/or recalcitrant lawyer or two.
That being said, as a patient I was sent to collection a few years ago by a computerized radiology group. There was a dispute of a double bill on a chest x-ray. The unpaid bill was like $19, and my total medical bills were over $130K! It took 2 years to get that out of my record!
That being said, as a patient I was sent to collection a few years ago by a computerized radiology group. There was a dispute of a double bill on a chest x-ray. The unpaid bill was like $19, and my total medical bills were over $130K! It took 2 years to get that out of my record!
Every profession has its goods and bads...we just seem to be a little heavy on the bad side being publicized. We also write off bills every day. The general status of health care is such that many doctors do seem to be giving less of a hoot about the people (with the managed care issues, which everybody will attribute to higher costs due to malpractice claims...damn lawyers again). Just had to get a jab in for us, but for the record, I also believe the class action to be a bad idea.
Now...
I'm one of the "good" guy lawyers. Is that an oxymoron (or perhaps just moronic)?
Racer
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From: Sacramento Ca
Originally Posted by own2vettes
Lawyers. Its always about money. Never about justice. As a physician, its always perplexed me that malpractice suits always wind up being about money. If a surgeon goes in and botches something up, gets sued and loses, why is it that part of the judgement is never a mandatory refresher course on surgical technique, anatomy, etc...? I'll tell you why: the suits are perpetuated by the attorneys who are only after money. They could care less if a surgeon is a hack or if a roof panel flies off for that matter. Hell, the worse a surgeon remains or the longer a roof panel stays unfixed, the better the chances for more mishaps and thus more lawsuits.
However, even taking this outside the Med. Mal. arena lawsuits are about money because that is the best and only way the system has found to compensate someone. But it would be interesting to see how many people would opt for a physical punishment option. Personally, if some cuts into my lane and smashes my car, I'm not going to be too happy if all they have to do is read a driver's education book, and I have to pay for the damage.
If a sole wage earned of a 2 child family is killed because the roof flies through his window and decapitates him, then I believe his family is entitled to compensation. On the financial side the kids may not be able to afford college. On the emotional side, these kids no longer have dad to teach them to play sports, etc.
This is especially true if GM decided to go with a glue that they knew had less holding power but cost $1.00 less per car.
Some lawyers have little concern in life, but money. Some doctors have little concern in life, but money.
It cuts both ways.
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Originally Posted by Big Ron 77
Yep. It's just the generalizations that kill me. Every profession has its goods and bads...we just seem to be a little heavy on the bad side being publicized. We also write off bills every day. The general status of health care is such that many doctors do seem to be giving less of a hoot about the people (with the managed care issues, which everybody will attribute to higher costs due to malpractice claims...damn lawyers again).
Now... I'm one of the "good" guy lawyers. Is that an oxymoron (or perhaps just moronic)?:
Now... I'm one of the "good" guy lawyers. Is that an oxymoron (or perhaps just moronic)?:
Right! The generalization is that 90% of lawyers are bad and 90% of Doctors are good. We Doctors try not to use 'kill' in our phraseology.
And it's not Doctors that are caring less, it's the payor system.
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by Jimwood
However, even taking this outside the Med. Mal. arena lawsuits are about money because that is the best and only way the system has found to compensate someone.
This is especially true if GM decided to go with a glue that they knew had less holding power but cost $1.00 less per car.
Some lawyers have little concern in life, but money. Some doctors have little concern in life, but money.
This is especially true if GM decided to go with a glue that they knew had less holding power but cost $1.00 less per car.
Some lawyers have little concern in life, but money. Some doctors have little concern in life, but money.
I can't believe that GM isn't seriously concerned about this top issue. They are not going to risk a roof problem for a buck. They had qualified engineers and tested their product. Of course they turned out to be wrong, but not for a buck. This is an unfortunate engineering snafu.
Most lawyers are primarily concerned with money, some Doctors.
Most people are primarily concerned with money. Doctors generally respond to a higher calling, and the patient's health is/should be of utmost concern.
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NO ! Only if GM denied there was a problem. They admit and are attempting to fix it. The best you would get out of a class action suit is a new roof and the lawyers would get richer !
Originally Posted by nuvetteowner
This roof problem is very unfair to us hard working people who save up and buy these cars expecting to have the joy that a vette is supposed to bring.
Instead we are stuck with this roof problem that should have never happened in the first place!
If there is a class action law suit ,will most everyone here participate?
Instead we are stuck with this roof problem that should have never happened in the first place!
If there is a class action law suit ,will most everyone here participate?
Drifting
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Originally Posted by nuvetteowner
This roof problem is very unfair to us hard working people who save up and buy these cars expecting to have the joy that a vette is supposed to bring.
Instead we are stuck with this roof problem that should have never happened in the first place!
If there is a class action law suit ,will most everyone here participate?
Instead we are stuck with this roof problem that should have never happened in the first place!
If there is a class action law suit ,will most everyone here participate?
Just because you worked hard for the car(most people who buy $50K + vehicles usually do), doesn't mean that you can just bring up an un-warranted law suit. If this was the case, then all car manufacturers would be out of business! Remember that all cars have issues(even the highest rated ones).....it is what it is!
Burning Brakes
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From: Dallas TX
Originally Posted by Hoonose
Right! The generalization is that 90% of lawyers are bad and 90% of Doctors are good. We Doctors try not to use 'kill' in our phraseology.
And it's not Doctors that are caring less, it's the payor system.
And it's not Doctors that are caring less, it's the payor system.
Good catch on the "kill". I would prefer doctors not use that terminology as well. I wish you were here, as we seem to have a general shortage of the 90% good doctors. I also like the way you capitalize "doctor," but not "lawyer"...conscious or subconscious??? Just to be clear, lawyers are "'doctors' of jurisprudence"
. Sorry for the hijack! At least the Corvettes bring us all together.
Thanks for the back and forth Hoonose. Take care.
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Originally Posted by JUSAYHI
So your vette doesn't bring you joy now? Sure It shouldn't have happend, there are a million things every day that "should have never happened" but sh_t happens. We never should have been in Iraq, but.......If you're going to expend energy on something, fight for something worth while. Get over it 
Give me a break - nice try to slide in that shot. If you really were so apposed to the war in Iraq then you wouldn't belittle your true feelings by comparing that to an automobil issue ... then saying to ""Get over it"
Team Owner
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by Big Ron 77
I also like the way you capitalize "doctor," but not "lawyer"...conscious or subconscious?
Doctors (besides of my family) are my/the most important people.
And I'm talking as a patient, not as a Doctor!
Racer
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Originally Posted by Hoonose
I capitalize 'doctor', because of my utmost respect.
Doctors (besides of my family) are my/the most important people.
And I'm talking as a patient, not as a Doctor!
Doctors (besides of my family) are my/the most important people.
And I'm talking as a patient, not as a Doctor!
Well, if your ever on a jury in a medical malpractice lawsuit and are questioned during voir dire, definetly don't say that if you want to stay on the jury; the doctor in the lawsuit may just thank you for it later.
Edit: As for the flying roof issue, I say a class action is just what the doctor ordered. If GM was stepping up to the plate and offering transparent tops as an option instead of making people wait 4-6 weeks then it would be different story. Making people wait several weeks for a top is not an incentive to have the vehicle repaired, and GM knows it. Moreover, every last Vette should be double checked and inspected for a potential roof issue.
Last edited by Jimwood; Jun 22, 2006 at 04:12 PM.
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Originally Posted by Jimwood
Well, if your ever on a jury in a medical malpractice lawsuit and are questioned during voir dire, definetly don't say that if you want to stay on the jury; the doctor in the lawsuit may just thank you for it later.
Edit: As for the flying roof issue, I say a class action is just what the doctor ordered. If GM was stepping up to the plate and offering transparent tops as an option instead of making people wait 4-6 weeks then it would be different story. Making people wait several weeks for a top is not an incentive to have the vehicle repaired, and GM knows it. Moreover, every last Vette should be double checked and inspected for a potential roof issue.
Edit: As for the flying roof issue, I say a class action is just what the doctor ordered. If GM was stepping up to the plate and offering transparent tops as an option instead of making people wait 4-6 weeks then it would be different story. Making people wait several weeks for a top is not an incentive to have the vehicle repaired, and GM knows it. Moreover, every last Vette should be double checked and inspected for a potential roof issue.
I wouldn't think that GM could come up with so many transparent tops so quickly. Besides I want a colored one with a headliner.
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Originally Posted by flaskier99
Can you explain your point because I just don't understand what you mean, especially the underlined part?
Last edited by calemasters; Jun 22, 2006 at 10:48 PM.
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Originally Posted by nuvetteowner
This roof problem is very unfair to us hard working people who save up and buy these cars expecting to have the joy that a vette is supposed to bring.
Instead we are stuck with this roof problem that should have never happened in the first place!
If there is a class action law suit ,will most everyone here participate?
Instead we are stuck with this roof problem that should have never happened in the first place!
If there is a class action law suit ,will most everyone here participate?
Racer
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[rant]
Everytime I see a lawsuit thread I think
1) Some lamer wants some free money
2) It's a lawyer plant to feel out corvette owners
3) Some lil girly man has his panties in a twist because it's not perfect
To win you need to prove either
A) Collusion to defraud
B) Gross negligence
Do you really think GM sat down with all their engineers and went, "We want a top that will fly off at 55+ MPH to kill the car behind us so we can be sued for millions!"
Get real. It was just a bad design pure and simple. These things happen with a car that literally has tends of thousands of parts and assembly steps. You bought a very cutting edge piece of machined art. It's bound to happen, no ifs ands or buts! If you wanted something reliable for your money, get a Toyota.
GM is aware of the problem and is currently taking steps to fix it I'm sure. No one wants a potential 2nd degree manslaughter charge against them.
[/rant]
Everytime I see a lawsuit thread I think
1) Some lamer wants some free money
2) It's a lawyer plant to feel out corvette owners
3) Some lil girly man has his panties in a twist because it's not perfect
To win you need to prove either
A) Collusion to defraud
B) Gross negligence
Do you really think GM sat down with all their engineers and went, "We want a top that will fly off at 55+ MPH to kill the car behind us so we can be sued for millions!"
Get real. It was just a bad design pure and simple. These things happen with a car that literally has tends of thousands of parts and assembly steps. You bought a very cutting edge piece of machined art. It's bound to happen, no ifs ands or buts! If you wanted something reliable for your money, get a Toyota.
GM is aware of the problem and is currently taking steps to fix it I'm sure. No one wants a potential 2nd degree manslaughter charge against them.
[/rant]
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Originally Posted by montivette
Expected result of Class Action Suit.
Lawyers who file the suit on our behalf: Get check for millions $$
Corvette Owners affected: Coupon for 1 free oil change
Lawyers who file the suit on our behalf: Get check for millions $$
Corvette Owners affected: Coupon for 1 free oil change
That's exactly how the system works. The only reason class action suits exist is because Congress is full of a bunch of lawyers and they protect their own IMO.
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Originally Posted by C-INRED
That's exactly how the system works. The only reason class action suits exist is because Congress is full of a bunch of lawyers and they protect their own IMO.