Paddle Shifter Mod
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Racer
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From: Gilbert AZ
Paddle Shifter Mod
Several people were complaining way back when, about the push-pull configuration on the paddle shiffter. Most said it would be more intuitive to have one side pull for UP and the other side pull for DOWN. Has anybody managed to do this yet. Or does somebody have the wiring diagrams so I can try to figure it out? I am hoping it is just a matter of pushing a couple of pins and switching them.
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Steve
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Steve
Drifting
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From: Prosper TX
This will be my first mod. Who ever at GM that thought the original design was a good idea, never drove a car with a true paddle setup. Heck they must have never even drove a racing simulator. I plan to make the right paddle (both directions) up shift and left (both directions) down shift.
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From: Middle Granville New York
Originally Posted by AFVETTE
Not familar with the new GM set up, can some one tell us how other cars with paddle shifters work?
Tom
Tom
GM promised this configuration is ergonomic! I agree. I have found it to be very easy to manipulate at all steering points in turns. Also have seen most newer models with paddles one example is Mercedes who have the same setup as GM push / pull on either pdaale.
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St. Jude Donor '13
Personally, I like the current setup except that the paddles are too small, especially the tiny upshift button. Works good on a road course where you can keep your hands in the same place on the wheel; but a real PITA for autocross- trying to find the dang button for an upshift while winding the wheel back to center after a tight corner.
What I need is a much larger upshift button. That wouldn't require any rewiring, just making something that could be attached to the existing button.
What I need is a much larger upshift button. That wouldn't require any rewiring, just making something that could be attached to the existing button.
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From: Ellicott City Maryland
I have no problem and actually like the A6 paddle shift push for up and pull for down in HPDE, but this is the only system I have used and it is now "brain wired" and seems natural, especially the ability to shift up or down with either hand. But I understand others may prefer a different set up. Wouldn't separate paddles make autoX more difficult with only one paddle up and one down??
Melting Slicks
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From: CA
Originally Posted by V8 Juice
especially the ability to shift up or down with either hand.
..or just use one hand for upshifts and the other hand for downshifts if you need to use both hands for some reason.
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From: Ellicott City Maryland
Originally Posted by RWSjr
IMHO I think it should have console shifting ( ala XLR/STS) and paddles. (Would a MN6 guy want to shift from the column
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by AFVETTE
Not familar with the new GM set up, can some one tell us how other cars with paddle shifters work?
Tom
Tom
Accelerating you are pressed back into your seat, it's natural to pull up for upshifts.
Decelerating you tend to go forward in your seat, it's natural to push down to downshift.
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From: Mtns of north Georgia - Hey Kids, I'm spending your inheritance!
Originally Posted by Hoonose
My daughters Mini Cooper S auto works the opposite way.
Accelerating you are pressed back into your seat, it's natural to pull up for upshifts.
Decelerating you tend to go forward in your seat, it's natural to push down to downshift.
Accelerating you are pressed back into your seat, it's natural to pull up for upshifts.
Decelerating you tend to go forward in your seat, it's natural to push down to downshift.
I bought a Lexus GS400 with "trigger finger shifting" when they came out in '98. It worked the same way as the Mini Cooper - pull toward you for upshift, push away for downshift. Seemed natural. After four years of that, everything else feels "backwards" and confusing.
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From: Middle Granville New York
Originally Posted by RWSjr
IMHO I think it should have console shifting ( ala XLR/STS) and paddles. (Would a MN6 guy want to shift from the column )
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From: Damn Connecticut Yankee
I have no issue with the C6 paddles as they are, but IMO it would "feel" better with the paddles almost as they are in appearance and placement, but with no upshift area.
Both would be pull paddles with one downshifting and the other upshifting.
I'm lucky to have a fair amount of seat time in a Modena 360 F1 and I sometimes find myself downshifting when I wanted to upshift in my Vette.
I don't use the paddles much anyway, but a revision would be nice.
Both would be pull paddles with one downshifting and the other upshifting.
I'm lucky to have a fair amount of seat time in a Modena 360 F1 and I sometimes find myself downshifting when I wanted to upshift in my Vette.
I don't use the paddles much anyway, but a revision would be nice.
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From: San Mateo CA
Yep. F1 style is the way to go. If there was a better way they would have gone to it to win races. Pull on the right to upshift, pull on the left to downshift.
But I do agree w/ the autoxer above, doesn't work so well when you're turning lock-lock. An F1 wheel only runs 90 degrees so you never move your hands.
But what to I care, I have an MN6
But I do agree w/ the autoxer above, doesn't work so well when you're turning lock-lock. An F1 wheel only runs 90 degrees so you never move your hands.
But what to I care, I have an MN6
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by grywlfbg
Yep. F1 style is the way to go. If there was a better way they would have gone to it to win races. Pull on the right to upshift, pull on the left to downshift.
But I do agree w/ the autoxer above, doesn't work so well when you're turning lock-lock. An F1 wheel only runs 90 degrees so you never move your hands.
But I do agree w/ the autoxer above, doesn't work so well when you're turning lock-lock. An F1 wheel only runs 90 degrees so you never move your hands.
A better shifting paradigm might be mental telepathy!
But seeing that it doesn't work, the next best might be voice activated shifting.
I had a game add-on years ago called 'game commander'. Using a microphone and headset, you would just speak a command or ask for a particular weapon while in a game with instant results. That sort of gizmo could make those racing cameras 'in the car' viewing more interesting.
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From: Chambersburg pa.
I thought most if not all the cars electrics use a CAN line to the computer. If this is the case I don't believe you can switch wires. I don't like the auto lag. Under high acceleration if you wait till your almost at red line on the tach you drive the engine into fuel cutoff. I have complained to the GM engineers about that and the agree. I hope that come out with a customer fix.