C6 vs. 2008 M3
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C6 vs. 2008 M3
Im a big fan of M cars, and was seriously considering the z4 M coupe... but seriously, what was BMW thinking here.
They have turned the M3 from the affordable racer it was into a mini M5. The car weighs 3500. It features a very high tech engine that revs very high... but there is no tq what so ever. Of course all the fans are screaming, "but the F1 designed engine". Correct me if im wrong, but how can this engine be awesome for street use?... and its not as if they are targeting road racers as everything else on the car is watered down significantly and just cant compete with the great amount of track cars available today. Lets not mention the z06 sized price tag.
They have turned the M3 from the affordable racer it was into a mini M5. The car weighs 3500. It features a very high tech engine that revs very high... but there is no tq what so ever. Of course all the fans are screaming, "but the F1 designed engine". Correct me if im wrong, but how can this engine be awesome for street use?... and its not as if they are targeting road racers as everything else on the car is watered down significantly and just cant compete with the great amount of track cars available today. Lets not mention the z06 sized price tag.
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Im a big fan of M cars, and was seriously considering the z4 M coupe... but seriously, what was BMW thinking here.
They have turned the M3 from the affordable racer it was into a mini M5. The car weighs 3500. It features a very high tech engine that revs very high... but there is no tq what so ever. Of course all the fans are screaming, "but the F1 designed engine". Correct me if im wrong, but how can this engine be awesome for street use?... and its not as if they are targeting road racers as everything else on the car is watered down significantly and just cant compete with the great amount of track cars available today. Lets not mention the z06 sized price tag.
They have turned the M3 from the affordable racer it was into a mini M5. The car weighs 3500. It features a very high tech engine that revs very high... but there is no tq what so ever. Of course all the fans are screaming, "but the F1 designed engine". Correct me if im wrong, but how can this engine be awesome for street use?... and its not as if they are targeting road racers as everything else on the car is watered down significantly and just cant compete with the great amount of track cars available today. Lets not mention the z06 sized price tag.
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My wife is looking for her 3-series replacement ... I don't know much about beamers but when I started doing research .... I took the suggestion of the M3 off the table lol
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is the dyno not working? I will re upload.
The reason I bring up the c6 vs m3 debate is that current e46 M3 drivers seem to be the ones that are constantly following me attempting to engage in a street race. Im sure it has something to do with justifying paying that much money for a performance car...now its only gonna get worse with the new m3 and the completely over inflated HP number to sell the car with no tq to back it up.
Watch out for the newton meters.. it comes out to be about 290 ft/lbs peak.
The reason I bring up the c6 vs m3 debate is that current e46 M3 drivers seem to be the ones that are constantly following me attempting to engage in a street race. Im sure it has something to do with justifying paying that much money for a performance car...now its only gonna get worse with the new m3 and the completely over inflated HP number to sell the car with no tq to back it up.
Watch out for the newton meters.. it comes out to be about 290 ft/lbs peak.
Last edited by bdking57; Apr 18, 2007 at 12:51 PM.
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When I bought my C6, my other choices I was considering were the G35/350z, the BMW 335i coupe and the z4m, or a leftover 2006 M3 which was still way overpriced for what I wanted to spend. I wasn't all that impressed with the Nissan & Infiniti (good cars but nothing compares to a Vette) and by the time I got finished optioning out the BMW 335i it was also overpriced. The z4m had the M3 engine but that was about it. Not really stylish IMO and it just looked too small, almost like a go-cart. I also wasn't thrilled with the twinturbo setup of the 335i either being the first time they've used a setup like that. The LS2 is a tried and true engine. I also figured the new M3 would be even more grosely overpriced. The BMW that really strikes my fancy is the M6 but I'm not spending 100k+ on a car. In the end there really is no comparison to the Corvette when it comes to dollar for dollar performance and pure driving fun. 
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HP is only a measurement of torque.. torque is the only thing that moves the car. The only reason to look at HP is because it tells the story that the car is making good torque at higher RPMS. This car will have exceptional gearing, but even the new camaro should pull pretty hard on this car.... in this case, the HP is so very misleading that its going to be causing alot of inflated heads on the BMW side.
On the other hand.. the 335I is making crazy torque with just tuning.. Its not all looking bad for BMW.. the 335I is a wonderful car. Its really fantastic for the price!.. not only that, but the z4 M coupe fitted with this new V8 would also be very nice. I really like the z4m and it was actually faster around the top gear test track then the base c6... its def. and enthusiast car, unlike the new m3.
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BMW's website says the 2008 M3 will make 420Hp/295lbs torque. 0-62mph(100kph)=4.8seconds. Weight=3,800lbs Top speed limited to 155mph...unlimited=175mph max in 6th gear at redline.
No thanks!
I'll keep to my C6.
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BMW is seriously going to price themselves out of the sport car market. I couldn't believe the price of the 2008 M3 when I read it. Especially for how ugly it is, they hardly changed a thing on the body and the back end from the side looks like a Honda Civic. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING??? They're entry level 3 series is definitely not worth the price. Go buy a Lexus, get so much more for your money, if that's your thing of course.
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BMW is seriously going to price themselves out of the sport car market. I couldn't believe the price of the 2008 M3 when I read it. Especially for how ugly it is, they hardly changed a thing on the body and the back end from the side looks like a Honda Civic. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING??? They're entry level 3 series is definitely not worth the price. Go buy a Lexus, get so much more for your money, if that's your thing of course.
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But the peak power tells you something that peak torque does not: maximum rate of energy use. That's what moves the car.
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