colin powell
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i started this thread,but i don't know now if i dare mention bob novak and dr.phil drive corvettes too.
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I have a Canadian question about this ...
What would history have said if the war in Iraq had gone this way:
A few short days of "Shock and Awe" the statue of Hussein falls and the people are dancing in the streets. Iraqis everywhere are thanking the US for getting rid of their monster.
The president stands on the deck of the Aircraft Carrier and tells the world, "The war is over".
All your brave young men and women come home.
What would history have said if the war in Iraq had gone this way:
A few short days of "Shock and Awe" the statue of Hussein falls and the people are dancing in the streets. Iraqis everywhere are thanking the US for getting rid of their monster.
The president stands on the deck of the Aircraft Carrier and tells the world, "The war is over".
All your brave young men and women come home.
Friends don't let friends drive while drunk.
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Sure, everyone makes mistakes. That's human nature. It's the gravity of the mistakes that differentiates. Affairs, income tax, minor bad decisions, misdemeanors, etc are one thing.
I have extremely high expectations for my leaders. They are supposed to be better, smarter, more principled, honest, and be more standup than the average citizen.
BTW, with respect to allegiance (and the argument of being a good soldier, etc), there's a reason the Soldier's Oath swears allegiance to the The Constitution AND The President. While one taking the Officer's Oath swears allegiance ONLY to The Constitution - and not the President, administration, etc. Just following orders does not apply...
I have extremely high expectations for my leaders. They are supposed to be better, smarter, more principled, honest, and be more standup than the average citizen.
BTW, with respect to allegiance (and the argument of being a good soldier, etc), there's a reason the Soldier's Oath swears allegiance to the The Constitution AND The President. While one taking the Officer's Oath swears allegiance ONLY to The Constitution - and not the President, administration, etc. Just following orders does not apply...
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You mention high standards and gravity
Sure, everyone makes mistakes. That's human nature. It's the gravity of the mistakes that differentiates. Affairs, income tax, minor bad decisions, misdemeanors, etc are one thing.
I have extremely high expectations for my leaders. They are supposed to be better, smarter, more principled, honest, and be more standup than the average citizen.
BTW, with respect to allegiance (and the argument of being a good soldier, etc), there's a reason the Soldier's Oath swears allegiance to the The Constitution AND The President. While one taking the Officer's Oath swears allegiance ONLY to The Constitution - and not the President, administration, etc. Just following orders does not apply...
I have extremely high expectations for my leaders. They are supposed to be better, smarter, more principled, honest, and be more standup than the average citizen.
BTW, with respect to allegiance (and the argument of being a good soldier, etc), there's a reason the Soldier's Oath swears allegiance to the The Constitution AND The President. While one taking the Officer's Oath swears allegiance ONLY to The Constitution - and not the President, administration, etc. Just following orders does not apply...
I admire anyone who serves, we all have made errors with information from people we trust, It takes courage to shoulder the blame. Gravity is nearly the same everywhere on Earth
I have high standards, and Colin Powell would fit those
But the important part he gave up Volvos to get a Corvette
He is one of us
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There were no lies- it was common knowledge Saddam had WMD. Was the intel wrong?- maybe, or maybe WMDs went to Syria? Here is info that even that rapist Bubba had the wrong info.
http://theanchoressonline.com/2007/1...eball-on-iraq/
The crack about "San Francisco, fudge packer " was wrong and rude. When I saw San Fran, I thought liberal… and that's a true insult. I know- I was one and am shamed by what I did during Vietnam, dishonoring our solders.
RE "cadguymark" mention of "they want to invade Iran to save Israel " I suspect Israel can take care of itself, but we have there back. I would like US to go after Iran because they fund and supply terrorist ATTACKING OUR SOLDERS. I support the war on Iran, and look forward to it.
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Yeah right!!!
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From: American in Germany 1 Hour to the ring fast
Time out
Today
I was able to thank someone who was injured protecting those in Iraq
who cannot help themselves, Those are the people I salute
If you criticize did you serve ?
I was able to thank someone who was injured protecting those in Iraq
who cannot help themselves, Those are the people I salute
If you criticize did you serve ?
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{{{{per streetpix above}}}}}I have extremely high expectations for my leaders. They are supposed to be better, smarter, more principled, honest, and be more standup than the average citizen.
If you say what you mean, you better not vote for any bleeding heart liberal who wants to continue the senseless killing of unborn babies, perpetuate the constant state of low income of minorities by continually buying their votes with handouts and "keeping them down", and on and on!!
If you say what you mean, you better not vote for any bleeding heart liberal who wants to continue the senseless killing of unborn babies, perpetuate the constant state of low income of minorities by continually buying their votes with handouts and "keeping them down", and on and on!!
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From: Land of 10,000 taxes
if your leader only has to be above the average citizen, that would explain the politicians we have. why set the bar so low?
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Sorry I tried to quote the other idiot on that first passage of my previous post just before yours, the paragraph below it is my writing. You obviously are taking a much hated dog at the Pres as well.
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When you find one these above average "politicians" let us all in on it. Many have started out to save the world but in the end all they care about is staying in power. Powell was above that and bowed out when he realized he had been had. He's a great American.
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From: Land of 10,000 taxes
RE "cadguymark" mention of "they want to invade Iran to save Israel " I suspect Israel can take care of itself, but we have there back. I would like US to go after Iran because they fund and supply terrorist ATTACKING OUR SOLDERS. I support the war on Iran, and look forward to it.
every year? Why was it used as a call to invade Iraq? Why is it now being used to fan the flames of war with Iran?there you have it folks, this guy wants to invade Iran, and after that which country? Syria? North Korea? Pakistan? when should we start goosestepping?
We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.
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really? If Israel can take care of itself then why do we give them 4 billion every year? Why was it used as a call to invade Iraq? Why is it now being used to fan the flames of war with Iran?
there you have it folks, this guy wants to invade Iran, and after that which country? Syria? North Korea? Pakistan? when should we start goosestepping?
We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.
every year? Why was it used as a call to invade Iraq? Why is it now being used to fan the flames of war with Iran?there you have it folks, this guy wants to invade Iran, and after that which country? Syria? North Korea? Pakistan? when should we start goosestepping?
We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.
