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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 12:35 AM
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An Orbital works 10 times better then hand buffing. There simply is no comparison.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 12:36 AM
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Karate Kid style. Right hand-a-circle, left hand-a-cirlce. Wax on , wax off.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by joeking

...Dont forget to use the m/f towels...

What a blessing the microfiber towels are.

I washed and waxed for years never knowing the little fine scratches could be avoided by using the microfiber towels.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by POACHR
+1 on maching...i will never hand wax/polish again
Which machine do you use? I want to get one that I can use for the Vette and for my Wife's Durango. Seems like it would be easier as long as I learn how to use one.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 01:14 AM
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Try Griot's Garage Random Orbital !!!
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Nebraska
I have read a number of car care boards and am convinced that unless you know what you are doing and buy the "right" kind of orbital polisher....it can become an orbital "sander" and really screw up your paint job. I passed a perfectly nice black Infinity the other day, that looked liked a giant carp because of the circular swirl marks that someone had imbedded into the finish with a polisher.

I am a "hands only" wash/wax guy! The exercise keeps us young and fit!

Completely agree. A good wax, a good microfib towel and bam... beauty without the chance of messing up the paint.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by shawden
Try Griot's Garage Random Orbital !!!


But, I only use the Griots RO to polish. When applying a sealer like Zaino I still do that by hand. I've gotten so good with Zaino over the years i can put a coat on in about 15 minutes and take it off in about 10.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:18 AM
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I've been using a 10 inch buffer for the past 10 years. Once you go buffer, you won't go back.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:33 AM
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If you are having a problem buffing the wax off your car, you are either using the wrong wax or you are putting it on too thickly.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LMB 4 ME
I put Zaino Z2/Z5 on with an 8" orbital and micro fiber pad, then remove it with a MF towel by hand , works awesome. (the orbital will not remove the Zaino even with a 100% cotton pad)


My PC orbital makes putting the Zaino on a breeze... then wipe it off with a M/F towel. (I'll admit the PC uses a bit more Zaino product than hand applicator, but sure is easier!)

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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by grifster
I only use the buffer ball to polish the insides of my exhaust tips. hands on for the body panels.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 12:44 PM
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I thought I did a good job by hand until I purchased a random orbital from Sears. It is nothing fancy but the results are far superior than I could do by hand.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sammgb
I've been using a 10 inch buffer for the past 10 years. Once you go buffer, you won't go back.
You don't need to spend an entire day polishing your car for it to look great.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 02:51 PM
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I have waxing cars for over 40 years and always did it by hand. Never trusted a buffer as they were called. I have a 2007 Tahoe that is black and it got some swirl marks from hand polishing with a some dirty clay. I bought the Griot unit in hopes that it would work as advertised. It did and the paint on that Tahoe draws comments weekly. Buy one and you will be pleased. No I do not work for them but they are a great outfit to do business with. Google "Griot's Garage". Item number 10925.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Po Boi
I am getting older and really don't look forward to hand buffing wax off of my car anymore. It is safe to use one of those buffer ***** like the one made by Mothers, right? If so, are you using your regular drill, or a special buffer machine? Thanks.
Forget "Mother's *****", most especially electric drills, and hand polishing. Hand polishing is for youngsters all full of **** and vinegar; old guys like us are lucky to have the energy for polishing using any method.

Porter Cable 7424 Random Orbital Polisher - Accept NO SUBSTITUTE!!!


Then go to the car care forum to learn about the different foam pads to use, different products to use, how to use the PC 7424, etc. Once you have it shiny and swirl free, protection in the form of Carnauba wax like Meguiar's Yellow Wax or polymer sealants like Zaino should applied by hand and the residue wiped off with microfiber towels. It's still a lot of work for an old guy.

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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 03:55 PM
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I think the ball is for hard to reach areas on wheels. I've heard the power buffer is safe and some of the posts here say so. But I think there is more chance of marks or scratches with power tool.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by goatts
I think the ball is for hard to reach areas on wheels. I've heard the power buffer is safe and some of the posts here say so. But I think there is more chance of marks or scratches with power tool.
Scratches are made by abrasive particles that are introduced into the process by careless handling of the polisher or trying to work outdoors in a dust storm. You must keep dust and dirt particles OFF the finish, and OFF the equipment and materials while polishing...if you allow dust to get on the paint surface, you will make scratches when hand polishing. The best practice is to keep the vehicle in a closed garage while working.

Earlier this week, I used my PC 7424 to compound and polish my utility vehicle to absolute perfection on a calm day...no swirls, no scratches, no marks. The next day I washed the truck again, and started to apply Zaino with a single finger...I didn't realize it, but the wind picked up and left a nearly invisible dust film on the truck as I worked. After I finished, I had tiny little swirl marks just the diameter of my finger movement.

It doesn't matter what method you use to wash or polish your vehicle: If you don't keep grit out of the process, you WILL get scratches and swirls
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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Yo, Bro, try Zaino. I bought a kit a couple weeks back and just last night had some time to use it. I used the Z7 wash and then the Z5 wax. WOW! Whoever had my Baby before me didn't take very good care of her and she's got some buff marks on her. I'm thinking a couple more application of Z5 and that should do it. When it gets warmer I'm going to use the clay bar (Z18) all over and then go to the Z2 wax.

Last night after washing and drying, the waxing, which I admit was only half-a$$ed by me, still turned out a great hard shine and I only spent about 2.5 hours. I intend to take a whole weekend to do the clay, wash, wax, buff, wax, buff, wax buff. Still, after half-a$$ing it, I'm still impressed.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 06:30 PM
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Hand wax and Hand Buff, with Zaino. You're old, you need the exercise !!
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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If you can practice on another vehicle fine otherwise I would stick with the hand buffing, most good waxes, polishes, ETC. do not require much effort if applied correctly.
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