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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 08:43 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong but most of us can not just walk in and pay cash for a new Vette. We need a loan, there is the rub. They are not giving loans out all that easy. Maybe if GM kept GMAC they might be better off.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rothchilds
ya, thats what I want, my car to go down in value because of a fire sale

there are better ways to go about it, simple supply and demand principles
Based on these numbers and "simple supply and demand principles" your car will go down in value eventually anyways because they will need to do a firesale or else go bankrupt, liquidate....and still do a fire sale.

So regardless, expect your car to plummet in value. Could be today, could be next week, could be next year...it's going to happen soon.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wase13
just lower the prices and get rid of them fast
its that easy
i think if they lower the price for base 1LT to around $35K the whole inventory will be gone in a few weeks
Agreed, I have 4 cars, and no debt. If the price of a new vert were to drop a lot, I would buy another depite having an 06 with only 12k miles. I do NOT expect my 06 to ever appreciate in value unles my great great grand kid finds it in my garage in 60 years, so having a new one at a low price would be great for me.

Selling off the inventory, even at at loss, creates the need to manufacture new ones and keeps the entire supply chain, employed.

At some point, this has to happen in a down turn, we need to spend our way out...
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 02:57 PM
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We were looking at a "brand new" 2007 LMB vert this weekend. New as in never being titled although the owner of the stealership has been driving it since arrival. The car "only" has 10K miles on it. Their price.......$49,999. I hope they sit on it till the C7's come out.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 03:16 PM
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The AUTO business is suffering intensely right now.No one brand is immune from anything.It's magnified 10x if you are a Ford,Chrysler or GM dealer.They can't sell anything without dropping their drawers in a decent economy,never mind what's going on now!!
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 03:28 PM
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I may be mistaken here, but I do not think you can count unsold vehicles sitting on dealer lots as GM assets. Dealers purchase these vehicles from GM hence GM no longer owns them; they are owned by the dealer (or the dealer's bank). Owning GM does not mean owning all dealer inventory.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 03:29 PM
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I just bought a 1lt z51 paddle shift for $44,000 with 0% financing for 48 months. Can it get better?
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Tzzird
Damn... there's really no excuse to still have 2007's on the lot at this point.
With what Florida dealers want i can understand why they are 07's still sitting around. Saw a used 05 C6 for $40K at a dealer near me. And you wonder why Vette are just sitting around, used and new.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ALZ51

It's just inventory that didn't sell yet. No need to insult dealers.
I'm sorry, but a dealer stupid enough to still have an '07 on hand that he's been paying interest on for almost 2 years deserves to be insulted. Chances are he's been insulting his customers with inflated pricing rather than making a good business decision and cutting it loose.
The Forum dealers DO NOT fall into this category..
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Brewcity Marc
In This market.....its going to be an inferno sale ...better get used to it! Buyers Market baby!
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Modshack
I'm sorry, but a dealer stupid enough to still have an '07 on hand that he's been paying interest on for almost 2 years deserves to be insulted. Chances are he's been insulting his customers with inflated pricing rather than making a good business decision and cutting it loose.
The Forum dealers DO NOT fall into this category..
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 07:43 PM
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Does the dealer pay. I thought GMAC owns them until the dealer sells the car. The Dealership gets a check for his profit then.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 07:45 PM
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I would thing some real good incentatives could be comming.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Naeblis
Does the dealer pay. I thought GMAC owns them until the dealer sells the car. The Dealership gets a check for his profit then.
GMAC may pay for a short window of time, but once that expires the clock (and interest charges) are ticking..
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 2009 C6
Someone should tell the dealers how close to oblivion they are.

They try to make up their deficits by wacking everyone horribly, further degrading the market.

I emailed for quotes on Corvettes and a new Jet-Ski. All emailed back MSRP quotes!

They can bite me.
Aparently you never checked with a forum dealer since most of us are selling at or below cost.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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what so shocking? they made over 75,000 a year!
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Snagle
I may be mistaken here, but I do not think you can count unsold vehicles sitting on dealer lots as GM assets. Dealers purchase these vehicles from GM hence GM no longer owns them; they are owned by the dealer (or the dealer's bank). Owning GM does not mean owning all dealer inventory.
You are correct. GM doesn't push Corvettes out onto dealer lots on speculation. Every Corvette is sold before it is built. Dealers are the buyers. GM doesn't do retail, dealers are their only customers. Let me repeat that, dealers are GM's only auto customers.

This puts a new light on GM's claims that it wants to reduce the number of GM dealers. What soundly managed company tries to reduce the number of its customers?
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Originally Posted by Naeblis
Does the dealer pay. I thought GMAC owns them until the dealer sells the car. The Dealership gets a check for his profit then.
The dealer has to arrange financing for any car he buys from the manufacturer, few dealers have enough cash on hand to simply pay off cars as they are purchased from the manufacturer. Like the dealer's own customers, financing is usually required. That lender may be GMAC in some cases, but most larger car dealerships have arrangements with other lenders, banks, vendors of commercial paper, revolving lines of credit, etc, at better rates than GMAC offers. GMAC primarily does lending on retail sales.
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 01:46 AM
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They are selling. A month (or 2) ago there was over 6000 08's on dealer lots.

Dublin Chevy still has some 07's on the lot.

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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by shopdog
You are correct. GM doesn't push Corvettes out onto dealer lots on speculation. Every Corvette is sold before it is built. Dealers are the buyers. GM doesn't do retail, dealers are their only customers. Let me repeat that, dealers are GM's only auto customers.

This puts a new light on GM's claims that it wants to reduce the number of GM dealers. What soundly managed company tries to reduce the number of its customers?
but wait a minute...the number of dealers/customers has been reduced and will be drastically reduced further over the next few months...less customers, less product to sell, reduced revenues to come...can GM reduce their burn rate to be able to survive under the new market conditions? Let's hope...
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