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Old Nov 26, 2008 | 06:15 AM
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My 2008 Coupe NPP experienced a "check engine" light which was diagnosed by the dealer as a "run lean" condition. Unfortunately, the dealer was unable to track down the source as their internet was down (couldn't access the troubleshooting sequence) and I need to take it back in.

Dealer said there was a possible vaccuum leak somewhere on the intake side or that a reprogramming might be necessary for the mass flow sensor.

Has this condition happened with anyone else?
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Old Nov 26, 2008 | 06:41 AM
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I hope the dealer explained (and in case you didnt know) this is a very dangerous situation possibly causing a misfire.

Originally Posted by Vetteran04
My 2008 Coupe NPP experienced a "check engine" light which was diagnosed by the dealer as a "run lean" condition. Unfortunately, the dealer was unable to track down the source as their internet was down (couldn't access the troubleshooting sequence) and I need to take it back in.

Dealer said there was a possible vaccuum leak somewhere on the intake side or that a reprogramming might be necessary for the mass flow sensor.

Has this condition happened with anyone else?
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Old Nov 26, 2008 | 06:57 AM
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Thanks. I'm not driving it.

Ironically, when I took it in to the dealer, the check engine light went out momentarily, but came back on which leads all concerned to think it might be a vaccuum leak due to a bad connection/hose. We'll see.
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Old Nov 26, 2008 | 07:24 AM
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I had this same problem on my new '08.
Check engine light came on. Dealer reset it. Came on again.
They researched and found a TSB on '07s that indicated some holes on the header panel can cause turbulence in the intake track that the engine mistakes for a lean condition. There are four holes on eithr side of the air intake. They taped over the holes.

No more check engine light.
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Old Nov 26, 2008 | 07:27 AM
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There are four holes on eithr side of the air intake. They taped over the holes.
Chevrolet engineering at it's finest........anyone have a coat hanger
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Old Nov 26, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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As a conclusion, I hope, today the dealer fixed the car. He uploaded the TSB for the "run lean" condition which didn't correct the problem. Then he switched out the mass flow sensor which appears to have done the trick. It looks like the left engine bank was running slightly lean.
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Old Nov 26, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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here are four holes on eithr side of the air intake. They taped over the holes.
My kind of technology!!!
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackZ51Vett
Chevrolet engineering at it's finest........anyone have a coat hanger
yeah...I was duly impressed with Chevy's engineered solution.

The TSB actually specs dynamat type material, my dealer used a foamed tape product.
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At least it wasn't a bubble gum fix.

Makes you wonder how durable this repair will be in 10+ years.
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Originally Posted by markr01000
I had this same problem on my new '08.
Check engine light came on. Dealer reset it. Came on again.
They researched and found a TSB on '07s that indicated some holes on the header panel can cause turbulence in the intake track that the engine mistakes for a lean condition. There are four holes on eithr side of the air intake. They taped over the holes.

No more check engine light.
I hope it was official gm duct tape....hey, how about 4 gm chicklets??
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 09:39 AM
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I believe GM only uses Gorilla Tape on corvettes.
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Vetteran04
My 2008 Coupe NPP experienced a "check engine" light which was diagnosed by the dealer as a "run lean" condition. Unfortunately, the dealer was unable to track down the source as their internet was down (couldn't access the troubleshooting sequence) and I need to take it back in.

Dealer said there was a possible vaccuum leak somewhere on the intake side or that a reprogramming might be necessary for the mass flow sensor.

Has this condition happened with anyone else?
This is hilarious. They can't track down a lean misfire condition because their internet connection is down.

Yet they did seem to know a vacuum leak can cause this, though they apparently didn't look for a vacuum leak. The other things that can cause this are low fuel pressure (easily checked), or a faulty mass flow sensor (easily replaced). No internet connection required unless the mechanic has a hot role playing game he doesn't want to miss.
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by maxp
I hope it was official gm duct tape....hey, how about 4 gm chicklets??
If it wasn't then they just voided your warranty!!!
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 02:44 PM
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After reading this thread I'm not having much confidence in GM. (Tape, can't do anything without computers).
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