Media Bias
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We can call the guy a weenie all we want. But we have to accept that the perception - real or not, of the U.S. auto industry is pretty much what he said.
Rather than call him an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about, the auto industry needs to figure out how to get people like him and millions of buyers to trust that they have come a long way.
Looking at the way the execs handled themselves on the first trip to D.C., do you understand why the U.S. industry has such a credibility gap?
Rather than call him an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about, the auto industry needs to figure out how to get people like him and millions of buyers to trust that they have come a long way.
Looking at the way the execs handled themselves on the first trip to D.C., do you understand why the U.S. industry has such a credibility gap?
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The OP's point was that the media is once again gearing up their massive spin engine...
... And why are some of you surprised..? They are still flush with endorphins from the recent persuasive manipulation of the national election - viewed as massively successful among their own ranks - and feel it's their divine right to now focus on the troubled US auto industry and see to it that the "correct" perspective is provided to the public (the truth, don't you know...). And the real message to the public is... "trust us to tell you what you need to believe... after all, it's for your own good..."
... And why are some of you surprised..? They are still flush with endorphins from the recent persuasive manipulation of the national election - viewed as massively successful among their own ranks - and feel it's their divine right to now focus on the troubled US auto industry and see to it that the "correct" perspective is provided to the public (the truth, don't you know...). And the real message to the public is... "trust us to tell you what you need to believe... after all, it's for your own good..."
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From: Chandler, AZ It's a Dry Heat.
We can call the guy a weenie all we want. But we have to accept that the perception - real or not, of the U.S. auto industry is pretty much what he said.
Rather than call him an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about, the auto industry needs to figure out how to get people like him and millions of buyers to trust that they have come a long way.
Looking at the way the execs handled themselves on the first trip to D.C., do you understand why the U.S. industry has such a credibility gap?
Rather than call him an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about, the auto industry needs to figure out how to get people like him and millions of buyers to trust that they have come a long way.
Looking at the way the execs handled themselves on the first trip to D.C., do you understand why the U.S. industry has such a credibility gap?
There was so much damage done back in the '70's and '80's with poor quality and un-inspiring cars along with less than stellar customer support (speaking from experience here!) that so alienated buyers that getting them back is like pushing a chain uphill. Time for the awareness campaign to kick in as to how they have turned the corner some time ago and are now producing quality, dependable iron based on real data. Maybe there is a silver lining in all this "bail out" turmoil that provides the focus and opportunity to do just that. It's sure getting the focus on the UAW!! They need to take full advantage of this opportunity, it may be their last. The Corvette is one example to be leveraged along with others mentioned in this thread.
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The OP's point was that the media is once again gearing up their massive spin engine...
... And why are some of you surprised..? They are still flush with endorphins from the recent persuasive manipulation of the national election - viewed as massively successful among their own ranks - and feel it's their divine right to now focus on the troubled US auto industry and see to it that the "correct" perspective is provided to the public (the truth, don't you know...). And the real message to the public is... "trust us to tell you what you need to believe... after all, it's for your own good..."
... And why are some of you surprised..? They are still flush with endorphins from the recent persuasive manipulation of the national election - viewed as massively successful among their own ranks - and feel it's their divine right to now focus on the troubled US auto industry and see to it that the "correct" perspective is provided to the public (the truth, don't you know...). And the real message to the public is... "trust us to tell you what you need to believe... after all, it's for your own good..."
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From: Chandler, AZ It's a Dry Heat.
The OP's point was that the media is once again gearing up their massive spin engine...
... And why are some of you surprised..? They are still flush with endorphins from the recent persuasive manipulation of the national election - viewed as massively successful among their own ranks - and feel it's their divine right to now focus on the troubled US auto industry and see to it that the "correct" perspective is provided to the public (the truth, don't you know...). And the real message to the public is... "trust us to tell you what you need to believe... after all, it's for your own good..."
... And why are some of you surprised..? They are still flush with endorphins from the recent persuasive manipulation of the national election - viewed as massively successful among their own ranks - and feel it's their divine right to now focus on the troubled US auto industry and see to it that the "correct" perspective is provided to the public (the truth, don't you know...). And the real message to the public is... "trust us to tell you what you need to believe... after all, it's for your own good..."
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The OP's point was that the media is once again gearing up their massive spin engine...
... And why are some of you surprised..? They are still flush with endorphins from the recent persuasive manipulation of the national election - viewed as massively successful among their own ranks - and feel it's their divine right to now focus on the troubled US auto industry and see to it that the "correct" perspective is provided to the public (the truth, don't you know...). And the real message to the public is... "trust us to tell you what you need to believe... after all, it's for your own good..."
... And why are some of you surprised..? They are still flush with endorphins from the recent persuasive manipulation of the national election - viewed as massively successful among their own ranks - and feel it's their divine right to now focus on the troubled US auto industry and see to it that the "correct" perspective is provided to the public (the truth, don't you know...). And the real message to the public is... "trust us to tell you what you need to believe... after all, it's for your own good..."
This is some funny stuff! Thanks man.
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Journalism is dead. The news media is more mtv than news these days.
That said, GM is suffering because their design team and management is lost. GM cars aret selling because people dont like the way they look. Other than corvette. Zero inspiration. What car do folks have to look forward to that may fall into a "company saving car"? I can think of one. It was called Volt. GM designed an extremely desirable car that garnered tons of press attention, people loved the new aged styling....they said it would be out in 2010. THEN released a car that looks like a Korean copy of the Prius.
I understand concept cars are a bit different than cars that go to market....you know; cheaper headlights, toned down interior appointments, 18" wheels rather than 20", cheaper paint, etc....
Fluffing out and producing a copy of the prius is a great example of why GM is in the crapper.
With the right marketing strategy, and EVEN if the Volt had a $50k price tag, people would have clamored to buy this car:
Instead, they deliver this
They dont need the media to screw the pooch.
That said, GM is suffering because their design team and management is lost. GM cars aret selling because people dont like the way they look. Other than corvette. Zero inspiration. What car do folks have to look forward to that may fall into a "company saving car"? I can think of one. It was called Volt. GM designed an extremely desirable car that garnered tons of press attention, people loved the new aged styling....they said it would be out in 2010. THEN released a car that looks like a Korean copy of the Prius.
I understand concept cars are a bit different than cars that go to market....you know; cheaper headlights, toned down interior appointments, 18" wheels rather than 20", cheaper paint, etc....
Fluffing out and producing a copy of the prius is a great example of why GM is in the crapper.
With the right marketing strategy, and EVEN if the Volt had a $50k price tag, people would have clamored to buy this car:
Instead, they deliver this
They dont need the media to screw the pooch.
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St. Jude Donor '11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16
A few years ago there was a good article about what cars congress drives. They actually lease some nice rides on our dime.
Can't find that article about what cars congress drives right now and a google gives me the typical sht# results from that slanted search engine...
for starters, check out:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/ny...cars.html?_r=1
Can't find that article about what cars congress drives right now and a google gives me the typical sht# results from that slanted search engine...
for starters, check out:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/ny...cars.html?_r=1
Melting Slicks
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Journalism is dead. The news media is more mtv than news these days.
That said, GM is suffering because their design team and management is lost. GM cars aret selling because people dont like the way they look. Other than corvette. Zero inspiration. What car do folks have to look forward to that may fall into a "company saving car"? I can think of one. It was called Volt. GM designed an extremely desirable car that garnered tons of press attention, people loved the new aged styling....they said it would be out in 2010. THEN released a car that looks like a Korean copy of the Prius.
I understand concept cars are a bit different than cars that go to market....you know; cheaper headlights, toned down interior appointments, 18" wheels rather than 20", cheaper paint, etc....
Fluffing out and producing a copy of the prius is a great example of why GM is in the crapper.
With the right marketing strategy, and EVEN if the Volt had a $50k price tag, people would have clamored to buy this car:
Instead, they deliver this
They dont need the media to screw the pooch.
That said, GM is suffering because their design team and management is lost. GM cars aret selling because people dont like the way they look. Other than corvette. Zero inspiration. What car do folks have to look forward to that may fall into a "company saving car"? I can think of one. It was called Volt. GM designed an extremely desirable car that garnered tons of press attention, people loved the new aged styling....they said it would be out in 2010. THEN released a car that looks like a Korean copy of the Prius.
I understand concept cars are a bit different than cars that go to market....you know; cheaper headlights, toned down interior appointments, 18" wheels rather than 20", cheaper paint, etc....
Fluffing out and producing a copy of the prius is a great example of why GM is in the crapper.
With the right marketing strategy, and EVEN if the Volt had a $50k price tag, people would have clamored to buy this car:
Instead, they deliver this
They dont need the media to screw the pooch.
It's not the media. It's not the unions. It's not the Democrats. It's 40 years of pi**- poor management.
Bad cars (the 70's and 80's), wrong cars, inability to understand their customers, poorly negotiated contracts with their workers and dealers, etc., etc.
It's not some vast diabolical conspiracy
They brought it on themselves.
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From: The Great Pacific Northwest...........I carry a gun cause a cops too heavy.
My wifes Nissan Murano also is full of rattles, there goofy steal belt driven transmission constantly hunts at low speed. I am constantly having to repair small things on the car because the Nissan steelership is incredibly usless. These are the cars that according the mainstream media are excellent, trouble free cars. Every GM vehicle I've ever owned has been trouble free. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't think so.