z06 should not exist???
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car and driver said this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl3Stuxlwzs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl3Stuxlwzs
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Wow...loser....so i guess if you just buy the Z51 and then do the widebody, its a better vehicle
or buy the Z06, yank the engine and replace with an LS3, yank the springs and replace with base, put F55 style shock system and Z51 bars.....well,.....you get the idea.............silly
or buy the Z06, yank the engine and replace with an LS3, yank the springs and replace with base, put F55 style shock system and Z51 bars.....well,.....you get the idea.............silly
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ok so a z06 is 2.x seconds faster than a z51, and the zr1 is 2.x seconds faster than a z06
and by their logic the z06 is a loser...
I just bought a z06 and the ride is VERY comfortable, the car is a beast to handle but that comes with driver mod...
and by their logic the z06 is a loser...
I just bought a z06 and the ride is VERY comfortable, the car is a beast to handle but that comes with driver mod...
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Wow...loser....so i guess if you just buy the Z51 and then do the widebody, its a better vehicle
or buy the Z06, yank the engine and replace with an LS3, yank the springs and replace with base, put F55 style shock system and Z51 bars.....well,.....you get the idea.............silly
or buy the Z06, yank the engine and replace with an LS3, yank the springs and replace with base, put F55 style shock system and Z51 bars.....well,.....you get the idea.............silly
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Seems to me C&D was testing on a pretty bumpy track, and the stiffer suspension of the Z06 upset it in some of the turns. On a smoother track, they might have gotten a different impression of the relative capability of the cars.
Maybe the Z06 should offer the F55 suspension.
Maybe the Z06 should offer the F55 suspension.
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The problem with this whole analysis is that they didn't use a base, no option as their , pardon me, "baseline". Having the Z51 option on it muddies up the water.
The implication is that the Z51 is way above what a standard no option car would do. They speak of the 436 hp as if that's a special to the Z51 which, of course, it's not.
My hunch is that a base no option car would have done almost as good or very very close to the Z51 optioned car. But since they seldom if ever test a base no option car there's little proof of that assertion.
Ultimately I don't care. I much prefer the Z06 styling to the base car but have grown somewhat negative about the LS7 engine. I don't think it's reliable from all reports we've been reading.
I don't like the see through hood of the ZR1 or the slightly embellished styling. It's overdone. I'd prefer the ZR1 engine in a Z06.
In the minds of some "Z51" owners not only do they not even own Corvettes but they also own a car that is somehow, almost magically, able to outperform the Z06 and the ZR1. I don't get it but that's what they seem to be saying.
But then, I frequently remember a great quote from a Dirty Harry movie, something about someone being "a legend in his own mind". Now that describes many Z51 owners to me perfectly.
The Corvette is a legend. Any Corvette.
The Z06 is a legend and the highest performance Corvette that will ever be produced in substantial numbers.
The ZR1 is a legend but it will be built in very TINY numbers.
The Z51 option is not a legend, never has been a legend, and never will be a legend except in the minds of some of it's more vocal sycophants.
The point is clear. The ZR1 is major expensive. The Z06 is very expensive. The Z51 option costs very very little compared to even the price of the standard Corvette. It's all about trying to get a piece of the status of the Z06 and ZR1 really really cheap.
If it floats your boat set sail. But for most of us I think it's clear what's an option and what's a model no matter what contrived tests verious third parties may stage.
To suggest that there does not need to be a Z06 because the "Z51" is so close is totally absurd.
What is needed is a test on the same track, same day, same conditions and same driver of a standard no option vette, a Z51 optioned vette, and an F55 optioned vette. My bet is that the results would be very very close.
The implication is that the Z51 is way above what a standard no option car would do. They speak of the 436 hp as if that's a special to the Z51 which, of course, it's not.
My hunch is that a base no option car would have done almost as good or very very close to the Z51 optioned car. But since they seldom if ever test a base no option car there's little proof of that assertion.
Ultimately I don't care. I much prefer the Z06 styling to the base car but have grown somewhat negative about the LS7 engine. I don't think it's reliable from all reports we've been reading.
I don't like the see through hood of the ZR1 or the slightly embellished styling. It's overdone. I'd prefer the ZR1 engine in a Z06.
In the minds of some "Z51" owners not only do they not even own Corvettes but they also own a car that is somehow, almost magically, able to outperform the Z06 and the ZR1. I don't get it but that's what they seem to be saying.
But then, I frequently remember a great quote from a Dirty Harry movie, something about someone being "a legend in his own mind". Now that describes many Z51 owners to me perfectly.
The Corvette is a legend. Any Corvette.
The Z06 is a legend and the highest performance Corvette that will ever be produced in substantial numbers.
The ZR1 is a legend but it will be built in very TINY numbers.
The Z51 option is not a legend, never has been a legend, and never will be a legend except in the minds of some of it's more vocal sycophants.
The point is clear. The ZR1 is major expensive. The Z06 is very expensive. The Z51 option costs very very little compared to even the price of the standard Corvette. It's all about trying to get a piece of the status of the Z06 and ZR1 really really cheap.
If it floats your boat set sail. But for most of us I think it's clear what's an option and what's a model no matter what contrived tests verious third parties may stage.
To suggest that there does not need to be a Z06 because the "Z51" is so close is totally absurd.
What is needed is a test on the same track, same day, same conditions and same driver of a standard no option vette, a Z51 optioned vette, and an F55 optioned vette. My bet is that the results would be very very close.
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The problem with this whole analysis is that they didn't use a base, no option as their , pardon me, "baseline". Having the Z51 option on it muddies up the water.
The implication is that the Z51 is way above what a standard no option car would do. They speak of the 436 hp as if that's a special to the Z51 which, of course, it's not.
My hunch is that a base no option car would have done almost as good or very very close to the Z51 optioned car. But since they seldom if ever test a base no option car there's little proof of that assertion.
Ultimately I don't care. I much prefer the Z06 styling to the base car but have grown somewhat negative about the LS7 engine. I don't think it's reliable from all reports we've been reading.
I don't like the see through hood of the ZR1 or the slightly embellished styling. It's overdone. I'd prefer the ZR1 engine in a Z06.
In the minds of some "Z51" owners not only do they not even own Corvettes but they also own a car that is somehow, almost magically, able to outperform the Z06 and the ZR1. I don't get it but that's what they seem to be saying.
But then, I frequently remember a great quote from a Dirty Harry movie, something about someone being "a legend in his own mind". Now that describes many Z51 owners to me perfectly.
The Corvette is a legend. Any Corvette.
The Z06 is a legend and the highest performance Corvette that will ever be produced in substantial numbers.
The ZR1 is a legend but it will be built in very TINY numbers.
The Z51 option is not a legend, never has been a legend, and never will be a legend except in the minds of some of it's more vocal sycophants.
The point is clear. The ZR1 is major expensive. The Z06 is very expensive. The Z51 option costs very very little compared to even the price of the standard Corvette. It's all about trying to get a piece of the status of the Z06 and ZR1 really really cheap.
If it floats your boat set sail. But for most of us I think it's clear what's an option and what's a model no matter what contrived tests verious third parties may stage.
To suggest that there does not need to be a Z06 because the "Z51" is so close is totally absurd.
What is needed is a test on the same track, same day, same conditions and same driver of a standard no option vette, a Z51 optioned vette, and an F55 optioned vette. My bet is that the results would be very very close.
The implication is that the Z51 is way above what a standard no option car would do. They speak of the 436 hp as if that's a special to the Z51 which, of course, it's not.
My hunch is that a base no option car would have done almost as good or very very close to the Z51 optioned car. But since they seldom if ever test a base no option car there's little proof of that assertion.
Ultimately I don't care. I much prefer the Z06 styling to the base car but have grown somewhat negative about the LS7 engine. I don't think it's reliable from all reports we've been reading.
I don't like the see through hood of the ZR1 or the slightly embellished styling. It's overdone. I'd prefer the ZR1 engine in a Z06.
In the minds of some "Z51" owners not only do they not even own Corvettes but they also own a car that is somehow, almost magically, able to outperform the Z06 and the ZR1. I don't get it but that's what they seem to be saying.
But then, I frequently remember a great quote from a Dirty Harry movie, something about someone being "a legend in his own mind". Now that describes many Z51 owners to me perfectly.
The Corvette is a legend. Any Corvette.
The Z06 is a legend and the highest performance Corvette that will ever be produced in substantial numbers.
The ZR1 is a legend but it will be built in very TINY numbers.
The Z51 option is not a legend, never has been a legend, and never will be a legend except in the minds of some of it's more vocal sycophants.
The point is clear. The ZR1 is major expensive. The Z06 is very expensive. The Z51 option costs very very little compared to even the price of the standard Corvette. It's all about trying to get a piece of the status of the Z06 and ZR1 really really cheap.
If it floats your boat set sail. But for most of us I think it's clear what's an option and what's a model no matter what contrived tests verious third parties may stage.
To suggest that there does not need to be a Z06 because the "Z51" is so close is totally absurd.
What is needed is a test on the same track, same day, same conditions and same driver of a standard no option vette, a Z51 optioned vette, and an F55 optioned vette. My bet is that the results would be very very close.
I was about to go out into the garage and stick a match to my Z06.
Thanks for being the voice or reason in this quagmire or emotion with little substance.
Oh, and BTW, the LS7 engine is doing just fine and is on a rock solid 4year run. '06, '07 ,'08, and '09 Z06s, and will probably show up in the 2010 Z06 as well. If the LS7 engine had any problems worthy of mention, it would not have lasted this long in the Z06.
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; Mar 17, 2009 at 10:39 PM.