LT1 Z51

Release means to me what it means in Software speak.

Windows 7 will RTM on July 15th (the R is release) but not be for sale until October 22nd.

LT1 Z51

No, you just don't understand the terminology.

An automotive part is "released" into the system once it has passed software and hardware validation. Once it is released if the software or hardware update is to an existing part it is then processed by the assembly plant.

If not, there are additional test runs and quality checks before the part is given to dealers.

A "Release Engineer" is the person who "releases" the part, this only releases it to Manufacturing. This is not the same thing as it being commercially available.

Chemdawg99

Count me in on that group purchase when the PAL comes out I like the nav, but I almost considered getting the 2LT base model instead of the 3LT Z51 I did buy because of the inability to hook up my iPod.

akriggm

Gene,

Please add my name to the group buy list as well. I was getting ready to do the XM-splice mod, but the PAL sounds more interesting!!
Enjoy,
akriggm

BDillon

Like many I too am waiting on the edge of my seat for PAL to be available.
Please put my name e on any list you have for PAL.
I have an 08 C^ 3LT with Nav, for what it'd worth.

Gene, thanks for keeping us in the loop.

Bill

mickeykelley

If it will not support charging for the newer iPhone and iTouch, then it is a total waste as far as I am concerned. I have an US Spec and all I had to do was send it back to them for some quick whatever (got the exact same box back as I marked mine just to see if I did) plus different cable and it charges my iPhone3G and iPod Video. I would not even consider a change no matter how good the interface is unless it charges. Period. I guess I will wait to see while I still use the USA Spec. I also have the ProClip so my iPhone or gen 5 iPod can just slip into a cradle and charge, play, etc. AND sill have access for phone. If it HAS to be in the glove box, that will cause another problem. Oh well................such is life............Those who want a very slick, professsional car dock for the iPhone/iPod be sure to check out ProClip

http://www.proclipusa.com/site/frame...0&pageid=14216

http://www.proclipusa.com/?sectionpa...oryid=&p_year=

talon90

Even if it doesn't charge out of the box there is an inline adapter that will take care of the charging solution. The device is made by Scosche and it is called the Passport:

http://www.scosche.com/products/sfID...productID/1667

The problem stems from Apple's change from Firewire protocol to USB 2.0. Any device that worked to charge first gen iPod's won't work to charge fourth gen nano devices and iPhone's and iPod Touch. Inversely, any device that will work to charge the iPhone and such devices, won't work on the earlier units.

As an aside, I completely agree with you on the Proclip units. They make some of the best holders I've ever seen and I use their stuff in my daily driver. Just aweome and very well designed and manufactured.

kawal

Hi Paul,

I believe there is even a better solution for the new Ipod/Iphones than the Scosche adapter. Since I did my review on the aftermarket Ipod adapters:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...-corvette.html

the aftermarket adapters had the same issue - the new Ipods/Iphones wouldn't charge. Two of the aftermarket adapters (USA Spec and Peripheral) came up with a solution that provided a new Ipod connection cable that would charge both the old and new Ipod/Iphones. But Scosche and P.I.E. did not come up with the cable solution, but rather offered the adapter you describe.

But the drawback to this adapter, in my opinion, is that, while it works, it creates a large and cumbersome connector that you plug into the Ipod/Iphone. As an alternative, Peripheral (or iSimple as it is also known) offers a new charging adapter cable that you connect onto the old cable and it extends the cable another four feet. You can then hide the cable connection and you end up with the same smaller Ipod/Iphone connector at the Ipod/Iphone itself.

This adapter cable, the iS710, does the same thing electronically as the Scosche adapter, but it is more convenient to use. Here are a couple of links to it:

http://isimplesolutions.com/CES/ReVolt.asp

http://www.discountcarstereo.com/detail.aspx?ID=1337

While I don't know any of the details of the PAL device, I would think this charging adapter should work on it just as well as the aftermarket adapters. Actually, I'd be surprised if the PAL, supposedly being the newest technology on the market, didn't already provide a charging cable for the newest Ipod/Iphones. If the aftermarket suppliers already have the solution, you'd think it would be simple for the PAL designers as well.

The older Ipods, like my Generation 3 Ipod Nano, used a 12 volt charging system, while the new ones use 5 volts. These adapters are backwards compatible with all Ipods and Iphones. I cover some of these charging issues at the end of my updated review at:

http://www.kawal.net/ipod.htm

By the way, Paul, your tutorial on using the factory Nav system is sure good:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...rough-5-a.html

Ray

talon90

Greetings Ray,

Thanks for the note. I really appreciate the thoughts on the navigation tutorial, that means a lot to me coming from you. Look for an email on this from me....

Unfortunately the timing of the PAL and the abrupt change by Apple on the charging protocol left the option to adapt the new protocol out and such, it is stuck in the old charging system and will not charge the iPhone, iPod Touch or the Gen 4 units. I'll look in to the cable solution that you provided. I can't see any reason why that wouldn't work. It's nice to have options. I agree that the Scosche is a little larger than probably desirable. I do know the Scosche solution works as I use their dock adapter with my sound dock in my office as I have a first generation dock with my iPhone 3G.

Paul

kawal

Just as another alternative, Paul, iSimple also has the
"Revolt Mini", or iS712, which is essentially the same charging adapter as the Scosche:

http://isimplesolutions.com/CES/ReVoltMini.asp

http://www.discountcarstereo.com/detail.aspx?ID=1351

P.I.E. also has one, but Jay at Discount Car Stereo advised of some issues with it. It would be interesting to know if the same company makes all of these adapters - probably not, but they all sure look similar. I would think any of them, including the extension adapter cable (iS710) would work on the PAL.

Regarding your excellent navigation tutorial, I plan to add a post to your thread, but I haven't yet had a chance to get through all of it. You have so much good information in there, but I only found out about it just before my wife and I left on a three week road trip to Utah. We just got back and so I'm still trying to catch up. I do plan on thoroughly reading everything in your tutorial, because even though I thought I was familiar with the Nav unit, I've already learned more details from your report.

Ray

LT1 Z51

Ray,

Thanks for the ReVolt link, I've been looking to scoop up one of those for my iPhone when I use it instead of my iPod Classic with my PXAMG.

I too think this adapter will work fine with PAL.

z28lt1

One small clarification here - as I think this is what Talon was saying, but maybe in case it wasn't clear. The very first ipods only connected through a firewire port. Then they moved to the firewire or usb 30 pin port. The older ipods with the 30 pin connector could charge over either firewire or USB - the newer ones only with USB. Most manufactures of connector cables and docks used the firewire pins to charge, and those devices won't charge the newer ipods. Any device that used the USB will work for both all ipods except the very first ones that don't have the 30 pin connector. I have an old dock that works with my 4 year old ipod classic and my new touch. Any device that is made for the newer generations over USB should still work with all the older devices except for the very first ones. I think USB charging became an option around 2004, and mandatory with the iphones.

mickeykelley

As I said on my USA Spec, they had me change out the cable and then it would charge the iPhone3G BUT they said it would not charge it as fast as the new standard (what every that meant) but I could send the unit back & they would do something for free that would bring it up to current speed charging. I am not sure what all that means, but I can tell you for a fact that the original USA Spec unit would not charge my iPhone3g, then I got their replacement cable and it did charge. Even though I did not really understand the fast charging issue, I went ahead and set all 3 of my units back for the free update to the box. Right now I can charge, play, etc. my iPod Video,iPhone3g and my wife's Nano (original version).

Gene Culley

I have been keeping an eye on it and I will certainly stock up and help out all of the forum members I can.

mikez51c6

Geeez i think its time to give it up ppl

danl72

You can add me to the list as well, if and when it comes out.

Gene Culley

I will take care of all

Fonzijr1964

any news gene????