Rear Disk Breaks
Team Owner
Joined: Dec 2002
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From: San Francisco CA
Someone else mentioned this, but, yes, I want to voice my opinion that messing with your brakes is NOT a good idea unless you're an expert. And, well, please don't take this as confrontational as it may sound, but, given the fact that you cannot even SPELL "brakes" (you spelled it as "breaks") I must assume that you're not an expert on them.
I'm not an expert either. Far from it.
But, I can say the same that other(s) have said... don't mess with the brakes' front/rear ratios, etc. Chevy engineers have their jobs for a reason, and you don't want to mess with stuff without knowing what you're doing. Yeah, fine, this forum is nice. And, there's a lot of good information that can come out of it. But, there's a lot of BS too. My 2-cents says: are you really going to put your LIFE in the hands of some forum member that says "go with this braking solution"?? I know you said money is an issue. But, unless you're talking about going to a TRUE expert that has a track record and can guarantee braking performance, I'd say not to mess with what the Chevy engineers have already put together for you.
The idea: "I want to modify my brakes, but I don't want to spend a lot of money doing it"... just rubs me the wrong way in all kinds of angles. "You get what you pay for" is my first reaction, and I have several other reactions right behind that one.
I'm not an expert either. Far from it.
But, I can say the same that other(s) have said... don't mess with the brakes' front/rear ratios, etc. Chevy engineers have their jobs for a reason, and you don't want to mess with stuff without knowing what you're doing. Yeah, fine, this forum is nice. And, there's a lot of good information that can come out of it. But, there's a lot of BS too. My 2-cents says: are you really going to put your LIFE in the hands of some forum member that says "go with this braking solution"?? I know you said money is an issue. But, unless you're talking about going to a TRUE expert that has a track record and can guarantee braking performance, I'd say not to mess with what the Chevy engineers have already put together for you.
The idea: "I want to modify my brakes, but I don't want to spend a lot of money doing it"... just rubs me the wrong way in all kinds of angles. "You get what you pay for" is my first reaction, and I have several other reactions right behind that one.
"please don't take this as confrontational as it may sound, but, given the fact that you cannot even SPELL "brakes" (you spelled it as "breaks") I must assume that you're not an expert on them.
Give me a break
It is best to just leave the Corvette factory stock the way it came form factory as that was meant be a reliable performance sports car. Mess with it and you will have all kinds of problems with the electronics, sensors and computers.
Le Mans Master
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When I increased the size of wheels/tires from 18/19 to 19/20 I had room to go with larger rotors (same OEM calipers, just painted.) I chose Baer EradiSpeed-PLUS-TWO rotors. The "hat" is light weight aluminum which actually reduces weight from the OEM (the new wheels and tires also reduced OEM weight.)
Burning Brakes
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Clearfield Utah
When I increased the size of wheels/tires from 18/19 to 19/20 I had room to go with larger rotors (same OEM calipers, just painted.) I chose Baer EradiSpeed-PLUS-TWO rotors. The "hat" is light weight aluminum which actually reduces weight from the OEM (the new wheels and tires also reduced OEM weight.)
If you want better stopping power you will need to change your calipers as well as rotors and this will end up causing you to get different wheels with a different offset.
Race Director
Joined: Jan 2005
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From: Daytona Beach FL
On the 2005 to 2008 C6, all models used the same EBCM made by Delphi - whether there are different ABS algorithms for the base C6 and Z06 nobody is sure, but I think it's the same part# for all the C6 models.
With the 2009 model year and the intro of the ZR1, GM changed the supplier to Bosch, and no one is sure if the ABS would work properly if you put the carbon-ceramic ZR1 brakes on an earlier Z06. IMHO, there wouldn't be any problem at all - the ABS sensors just simply send wheel rotation speed to the EBCM and the software (whether is Delphi or Bosch) will reduce pressure to a brake when the wheel slows too much indicating an impending skid. However, there may be more or less pressure reduction required with the different brake materials.
Even on the Z06, if you wanted to put on the ZR1 brakes, I think you'd need larger wheels to fit over them.
Forum vendor Gene Culley says he can provide a set of ZR1 brakes for $8,000 but so far no one has wanted to try it.
Callaway has an option on one of their Vette upgrades for carbon-ceramic brakes. It's a $15,600 option!!!!
So.....to put the ZR1 brakes on a C6 Z06 I think you'd need the ZR1 19"/20" wheels, and for a regular C6 you'd need a wide-body kit and the larger wheels.
On Porsches you can get carbon-ceramics as an option for something like an additional $12,000. I've followed GT2 and GT3 Porsches into corners, and you can tell the ones that have carbon-ceramic brakes because they can go a lot deeper into a brake zone before you see their brake lights come on.
If you're racing and your class rules allow them, then they would definitely be the brakes to have.
For my street car that I only take to the track 6 or so weekends a year for fun driving on the track, I don't feel the need to spend that kind of money.
Bob
Le Mans Master
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I have looked into changing my rear rotors with the Baer Eradispeed 14" two piece set - the cost in my opinion is not worth it if I had only wanted more brake performance. The Z51 optioned brakes that I currently have will use the same caliper and pads for the 14" Baer rotor - no additional stopping power - just a bigger rotor.
If you want better stopping power you will need to change your calipers as well as rotors and this will end up causing you to get different wheels with a different offset.
If you want better stopping power you will need to change your calipers as well as rotors and this will end up causing you to get different wheels with a different offset.
However, the Baer 2 piece rotors reduce weight from the OEM rotors, my tires reduce weight from the OEM runflats and my wheels themselves are much lighter than the OEM wheels, so I would say overall I do get better stopping performance all things considered
Instructor
Joined: Nov 2008
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From: jersey shore nj
rear disc
hi forum readers i got a 07 vert base model and just installed the z51 brakes upgrade. and boy what a difference it looks much better ok if that helps u out any lol and dont forget the paint
Last edited by rjc53; Oct 7, 2009 at 12:07 AM.
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Verdad Gallardo
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Joined: Dec 2002
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From: San Francisco CA
There has been some discussion in the Z06 section about putting ZR1 carbon-ceramic rotors and pads on a Z06.
On the 2005 to 2008 C6, all models used the same EBCM made by Delphi - whether there are different ABS algorithms for the base C6 and Z06 nobody is sure, but I think it's the same part# for all the C6 models.
With the 2009 model year and the intro of the ZR1, GM changed the supplier to Bosch, and no one is sure if the ABS would work properly if you put the carbon-ceramic ZR1 brakes on an earlier Z06. IMHO, there wouldn't be any problem at all - the ABS sensors just simply send wheel rotation speed to the EBCM and the software (whether is Delphi or Bosch) will reduce pressure to a brake when the wheel slows too much indicating an impending skid. However, there may be more or less pressure reduction required with the different brake materials.
Even on the Z06, if you wanted to put on the ZR1 brakes, I think you'd need larger wheels to fit over them.
Forum vendor Gene Culley says he can provide a set of ZR1 brakes for $8,000 but so far no one has wanted to try it.
Callaway has an option on one of their Vette upgrades for carbon-ceramic brakes. It's a $15,600 option!!!!
So.....to put the ZR1 brakes on a C6 Z06 I think you'd need the ZR1 19"/20" wheels, and for a regular C6 you'd need a wide-body kit and the larger wheels.
On Porsches you can get carbon-ceramics as an option for something like an additional $12,000. I've followed GT2 and GT3 Porsches into corners, and you can tell the ones that have carbon-ceramic brakes because they can go a lot deeper into a brake zone before you see their brake lights come on.
If you're racing and your class rules allow them, then they would definitely be the brakes to have.
For my street car that I only take to the track 6 or so weekends a year for fun driving on the track, I don't feel the need to spend that kind of money.
Bob
On the 2005 to 2008 C6, all models used the same EBCM made by Delphi - whether there are different ABS algorithms for the base C6 and Z06 nobody is sure, but I think it's the same part# for all the C6 models.
With the 2009 model year and the intro of the ZR1, GM changed the supplier to Bosch, and no one is sure if the ABS would work properly if you put the carbon-ceramic ZR1 brakes on an earlier Z06. IMHO, there wouldn't be any problem at all - the ABS sensors just simply send wheel rotation speed to the EBCM and the software (whether is Delphi or Bosch) will reduce pressure to a brake when the wheel slows too much indicating an impending skid. However, there may be more or less pressure reduction required with the different brake materials.
Even on the Z06, if you wanted to put on the ZR1 brakes, I think you'd need larger wheels to fit over them.
Forum vendor Gene Culley says he can provide a set of ZR1 brakes for $8,000 but so far no one has wanted to try it.
Callaway has an option on one of their Vette upgrades for carbon-ceramic brakes. It's a $15,600 option!!!!
So.....to put the ZR1 brakes on a C6 Z06 I think you'd need the ZR1 19"/20" wheels, and for a regular C6 you'd need a wide-body kit and the larger wheels.
On Porsches you can get carbon-ceramics as an option for something like an additional $12,000. I've followed GT2 and GT3 Porsches into corners, and you can tell the ones that have carbon-ceramic brakes because they can go a lot deeper into a brake zone before you see their brake lights come on.
If you're racing and your class rules allow them, then they would definitely be the brakes to have.
For my street car that I only take to the track 6 or so weekends a year for fun driving on the track, I don't feel the need to spend that kind of money.
Bob
$8,000! My brakes are just fine the way they are to suit my driving sytle. At that price you better not have to worry about brake dust. or do any cleaning for brake dust.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 753
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From: Clearfield Utah
True, but I was responding to the OP (he complained that "The darn things are SO SMALL") and I have never said I get any better stopping power due to the calipers/pads by themselves.
However, the Baer 2 piece rotors reduce weight from the OEM rotors, my tires reduce weight from the OEM runflats and my wheels themselves are much lighter than the OEM wheels, so I would say overall I do get better stopping performance all things considered
However, the Baer 2 piece rotors reduce weight from the OEM rotors, my tires reduce weight from the OEM runflats and my wheels themselves are much lighter than the OEM wheels, so I would say overall I do get better stopping performance all things considered
I agree with your comment that the OP was talking about looks - I just wanted to point out that the braking may not be changed. I also agree that the weight savings of the two piece rotors is a plus and may end up braking better due to the overall design of the rotor.
