2 fuel tanks?




From the service manual:



i would think ideally you would want the fuel level to be pretty much the same in both tanks in order to give accurate reading on the fuel gauge.
A fuel sender assembly is located inside each fuel tank. The fuel sender assembly attaches to the top of each fuel tank. The left fuel sender assembly consists of the following major components:
The fuel level sensor
The fuel pump and reservoir assembly
The fuel pump strainer
The fuel filter (4)
The primary fuel pressure regulator (9)
The right fuel sender assembly consists of the following major components:
The fuel level sensor (7)
The siphon jet pump (5)
The secondary fuel pressure regulator (2)
The fill limiter vent valve (FLVV)
Fuel Level Sensor
The fuel level sensor consists of a float, a wire float arm, and a variable resistor. The position of the float arm indicates the fuel level. The fuel level sensor contains a variable resistor, which changes the resistance corresponding to the amount of fuel in the fuel tanks. The PCM uses inputs from both fuel level sensors in order to calculate the total fuel remaining in both fuel tanks. This information is sent via a Class 2 message to the instrument panel cluster (IPC) to be displayed on the fuel gage.





From the service manual:
Actually there is probably no need for any anti-siphoning measures in this pressure pipe since it is a very small pipe compared to the low pressure return line which has the hole. This line DOES need to be isolated from the fuel rail to maintain pressure and fuel in the line to the engine but it isn't going to flow a lot of fuel at zero pressure.
The design is for the jet pump to pump more fuel than the engine would normally need. This ensures that all the fuel in both tanks can be used. If the design was to keep an even level in both tanks then there would be no need for the anti-siphon hole. Instead of letting air into the line the design would be to pump fuel to a common line to ensure it was always full both tanks allowing both tanks to siphon to each other all the time.
Another issue that would come up with even levels is what would happen if you ran the tank near empty and then added just 7 gallons? When you fill the tank, very little fuel splashes up to the overflow pipe at the top of the left tank. It almost all goes initially into the left tank. Without the ability to siphon it across and with a jet pump trying to drain any remaining fuel in the right tank, how do you get it balanced again?
When the gauge reads half a tank the left sensor is reading full and the right sensor is reading empty and the computer knows that means 1/2 a tank. If anyone thinks otherwise, come on back. I've still got some more nails for the coffin.



Actually there is probably no need for any anti-siphoning measures in this pressure pipe since it is a very small pipe compared to the low pressure return line which has the hole. This line DOES need to be isolated from the fuel rail to maintain pressure and fuel in the line to the engine but it isn't going to flow a lot of fuel at zero pressure.
Now I'm going to really disagree. Imagine if the jet pump were to pump a little less than the engine requires. The left tank would go dry while there was still fuel in the right pump. The dry sump around the fuel pump in the left tank would prevent fuel from being pumped to either the engine or the jet pump so the fuel in the right tank couldn't be used. Now imagine if the jet pump delivers a little more fuel than the engine requires. Now the left tank fills to overflowing while the right tank level drops. The fuel pump always has fuel as long as there is any fuel in either tank.
The design is for the jet pump to pump more fuel than the engine would normally need. This ensures that all the fuel in both tanks can be used. If the design was to keep an even level in both tanks then there would be no need for the anti-siphon hole. Instead of letting air into the line the design would be to pump fuel to a common line to ensure it was always full both tanks allowing both tanks to siphon to each other all the time.
Another issue that would come up with even levels is what would happen if you ran the tank near empty and then added just 7 gallons? When you fill the tank, very little fuel splashes up to the overflow pipe at the top of the left tank. It almost all goes initially into the left tank. Without the ability to siphon it across and with a jet pump trying to drain any remaining fuel in the right tank, how do you get it balanced again?
When the gauge reads half a tank the left sensor is reading full and the right sensor is reading empty and the computer knows that means 1/2 a tank. If anyone thinks otherwise, come on back. I've still got some more nails for the coffin.

What I posted was my understanding of the system from various conversations that I've been involved in and I just don't have the technical knowledge of the system nor information at my disposal to dispute your post. I'm not inclined to agree with you regarding the balancing of the tank for a couple of reasons, I just don't have the ability to back up my beliefs. I'll do a little more digging and see if I can't give you a little more sport next time around.





What I posted was my understanding of the system from various conversations that I've been involved in and I just don't have the technical knowledge of the system nor information at my disposal to dispute your post. I'm not inclined to agree with you regarding the balancing of the tank for a couple of reasons, I just don't have the ability to back up my beliefs. I'll do a little more digging and see if I can't give you a little more sport next time around.

From a performance standpoint it is desirable to balance the weight between the tanks (a full tank has over 60 pounds of fuel) but from a design standpoint it is difficult without a pipe under the drive shaft.
I don't recall any question on the fuel system ever posted here that wasn't answered in depth on that link.
From a performance standpoint it is desirable to balance the weight between the tanks (a full tank has over 60 pounds of fuel) but from a design standpoint it is difficult without a pipe under the drive shaft.

a crossover tube at the bottom would have been my first guess. simple in design!
but fine with me, as my SC head unit and battery are over there.
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a crossover tube at the bottom would have been my first guess. simple in design!

Strangely enough my '08 Z51 A6 was closer to perfect, 50.0% cross weight and 51% F and 49% R w /1/4 tank.
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