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Drifting
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mpuzach,
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
Not to belabour the point but... You may be familiar with the large, flip chart-like display that is kept in auto showrooms with the optional features for each car they sell. These displays are changed with each model year and, I suppose, updated as necessary. On this chart, on the Corvette flip page, are color samples and seat fabric samples for all the color combinations. The chart clearly states that one of the color combos is the particular seat material that comes with 1LT, 2LT, 3LT, and...4LT. Of those samples, the seat materail swatch for "gray" is right there and in another column there is a swatch of ebony/"gray" which it states is also available. It can't be misinterpreted, it is right there on the flip chart.
So, as I said previously, if what you say is true, then the flip page must be an error. As a consequence, there is some confusion over the issue. Either they were going to make that option available but it was later reversed (for some reason like the supplier went out of business or the material was unavailable) or somebody screwed the charts up. That is the point I'm trying to make at this juncture. When I'm at the dealer next I will get a picture and post it.
This is likely what happened with your salesperson.
Not to belabour the point but... You may be familiar with the large, flip chart-like display that is kept in auto showrooms with the optional features for each car they sell. These displays are changed with each model year and, I suppose, updated as necessary. On this chart, on the Corvette flip page, are color samples and seat fabric samples for all the color combinations. The chart clearly states that one of the color combos is the particular seat material that comes with 1LT, 2LT, 3LT, and...4LT. Of those samples, the seat materail swatch for "gray" is right there and in another column there is a swatch of ebony/"gray" which it states is also available. It can't be misinterpreted, it is right there on the flip chart.
So, as I said previously, if what you say is true, then the flip page must be an error. As a consequence, there is some confusion over the issue. Either they were going to make that option available but it was later reversed (for some reason like the supplier went out of business or the material was unavailable) or somebody screwed the charts up. That is the point I'm trying to make at this juncture. When I'm at the dealer next I will get a picture and post it.
Pro
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This forum is full of good information - why bother asking a question if you are just going to argue with the people who are giving you the answers??? You have been on here less than a month - do some of your own research on here if you don't believe us.
You CAN NOT get an all gray (really called Titanium) interior with a 4LT option package!!
- 4LT is strictly a two-tone interior with two tone seats and dash. - search for 4LT on here and you will see what it looks like.
Maybe the chart is written wrong, maybe the dealer is an idiot, or maybe you just read it wrong - either way - it is NOT POSSIBLE!
Here is an ebony/titanium two tone from a 2LT or 3LT car
here is an ebony/dark titanium two tone from a 4LT car
notice the difference in the location of the titanium pieces.
You CAN NOT get an all gray (really called Titanium) interior with a 4LT option package!!
- 4LT is strictly a two-tone interior with two tone seats and dash. - search for 4LT on here and you will see what it looks like.
Maybe the chart is written wrong, maybe the dealer is an idiot, or maybe you just read it wrong - either way - it is NOT POSSIBLE!
Here is an ebony/titanium two tone from a 2LT or 3LT car
here is an ebony/dark titanium two tone from a 4LT car
notice the difference in the location of the titanium pieces.
Last edited by ArcticLS3; Apr 15, 2010 at 09:12 AM.
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Drifting
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From: Waldorf, MD
WhiteSL3,
Ahhh, if that is the case, how many other things are wrong? What is going on with GM QC that may be affecting other issues. Does that kind of error also flow down into the car itself? I wonder how my clent would react if I said, "Oh, and Sir, that chart I just showed you in this briefing is wrong."
Maybe the chart is written wrong,
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This forum is full of good information - why bother asking a question if you are just going to argue with the people who are giving you the answers??? You have been on here less than a month - do some of your own research on here if you don't believe us.
You CAN NOT get an all gray (really called Titanium) interior with a 4LT option package!!
- 4LT is strictly a two-tone interior with two tone seats and dash. - search for 4LT on here and you will see what it looks like.
Maybe the chart is written wrong, maybe the dealer is an idiot, or maybe you just read it wrong - either way - it is NOT POSSIBLE!
Here is an ebony/titanium two tone from a 2LT or 3LT car
here is an ebony/dark titanium two tone from a 4LT car
notice the difference in the location of the titanium pieces.
You CAN NOT get an all gray (really called Titanium) interior with a 4LT option package!!
- 4LT is strictly a two-tone interior with two tone seats and dash. - search for 4LT on here and you will see what it looks like.
Maybe the chart is written wrong, maybe the dealer is an idiot, or maybe you just read it wrong - either way - it is NOT POSSIBLE!
Here is an ebony/titanium two tone from a 2LT or 3LT car
here is an ebony/dark titanium two tone from a 4LT car
notice the difference in the location of the titanium pieces.
What does it matter what the chart says.
You have well informed enthusiasts here on the Forum who know more than most salepeople when it comes to all things Corvette.
You also have the power of the search tool as WhiteLS3 has stated.
Stop beating a dead horse and just order your car based on the options you actually have available to you.
Pro
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So, just to sum up:
- The closest thing to an "all gray" interior is the titanium/ebony interior that's available with 2LT and 3LT. With this interior, the upper door panels, upper dashboard, and carpets are ebony; everything else is titanium (lower doors and dash, seats, center console from the lid back).
- The above interior can also be ordered with optional 2-tone ebony/titanium seats for an additional $695. This is a stand-alone option.
- "Titanium" is indeed a metal; for reasons unknown, it's also the name that GM gave to their current "light gray" interior color.
- It's very common for the 2LT and 3LT 2-tone interiors (titanium/ebony, cashmere/ebony, and red/ebony) to be referred to as simply "titanium", "cashmere", and "red" respectively, especially when they're ordered without the optional 2-tone seats. This is likely what happened with your salesperson.
- FWIW, the ebony upper dash and upper door panels look very nice in the otherwise titanium interior. In fact, I think a true "all titanium" interior would look quite unattractive.
Foxer: I spoke at length with my dealer about that chart because it is very misleading and even they are not sure of the color combo (for example, in the 3LT model it in no way or form tells you that is you choose the red color, that your seats will be red but carpet will be black, but if you choose cashmere, your seats as well as carpet will be cashmere). I can even tell you most of the chevy reps don't know all the details. If you go to the corvette website and choose "build your own", a little pop up window will come up to ask if you want to chat live with a chevy rep. Do it, and ask the questions, they won;t know the answer, they will then ask for your phone number. You will get a call back in 2 days with the real answers. Most important thing is that ALL 4LTs have black carpet.
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WhiteSL3,
Ahhh, if that is the case, how many other things are wrong? What is going on with GM QC that may be affecting other issues. Does that kind of error also flow down into the car itself? I wonder how my clent would react if I said, "Oh, and Sir, that chart I just showed you in this briefing is wrong."
Ahhh, if that is the case, how many other things are wrong? What is going on with GM QC that may be affecting other issues. Does that kind of error also flow down into the car itself? I wonder how my clent would react if I said, "Oh, and Sir, that chart I just showed you in this briefing is wrong."
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Drifting
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LionGS,
Thank you for a detailed explanation.
OK, does this say anything about GM and their current circumstances? I recall that some of the current administartion people (no, by no means do I support this adminstration) said when they went to GM to examine their financial meltdown, the board of directors and CEO were so disconnected from the company and what was going on in it that it was frightening. I wonder if that is corporate wide? Is this an indicator?
Foxer: I spoke at length with my dealer about that chart because it is very misleading and even they are not sure of the color combo (for example, in the 3LT model it in no way or form tells you that is you choose the red color, that your seats will be red but carpet will be black, but if you choose cashmere, your seats as well as carpet will be cashmere). I can even tell you most of the chevy reps don't know all the details. If you go to the corvette website and choose "build your own", a little pop up window will come up to ask if you want to chat live with a chevy rep. Do it, and ask the questions, they won;t know the answer, they will then ask for your phone number. You will get a call back in 2 days with the real answers. Most important thing is that ALL 4LTs have black carpet.
You would be amazed as to how much is wrong. Even things such as the two tone seats, if you get them in a 3LT package, the leg support is in the minor color (red, cashmere ect.) if you get them in the 4LT package the leg support is the black color and only the actual seating and back support surfaces are the minor color. They do not tell this to you anywhere. Even if you choose the build your own on the chevy website, you can never get a clear look at the interior with the different colors. I had posted a while back at how disappointed I was in chevy in the fact that they won;t publish actual interior photos with every color combo for people to choose from.
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Drifting
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jc9767,
I looked all over for that page and couldn't find it. Thanks.
Go to the order guide and see for yourself:
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/dom...page=9&butID=3
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/dom...page=9&butID=3
Pro
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Foxer: Got to the chevrolet web site and built a 4LT GS. Choose the interior pics and you can see that it will only be gray accents.
As for the chevy dealers, as in any corporation, you have some people who are better than others. This has been going on for years with them. I remember ordering trucks and salespeople having no idea that I could order the options I ordered. I think 95% of the car buying public just buy what they see in the showroom. Rarely does someone order a car, and even if they do its usually for a special color and not for specific options.. I order a lot of trucks for my business, you would not believe the countless times dealers would have trucks on their lots that were 99% of what I wanted but for options like second battery, block heater (which only run about $200) I would special order a truck, they could never understand why.
As for the chevy dealers, as in any corporation, you have some people who are better than others. This has been going on for years with them. I remember ordering trucks and salespeople having no idea that I could order the options I ordered. I think 95% of the car buying public just buy what they see in the showroom. Rarely does someone order a car, and even if they do its usually for a special color and not for specific options.. I order a lot of trucks for my business, you would not believe the countless times dealers would have trucks on their lots that were 99% of what I wanted but for options like second battery, block heater (which only run about $200) I would special order a truck, they could never understand why.
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Just to clarify, this picture shows the 2LT/3LT titanium/ebony interior WITH the optional 2-tone seats. The same interior is also available with all-titanium seats, with or without embroidered C6 flags in the upper seat backs.
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The chart clearly states that one of the color combos is the particular seat material that comes with 1LT, 2LT, 3LT, and...4LT. Of those samples, the seat material swatch for "gray" is right there and in another column there is a swatch of ebony/"gray" which it states is also available. It can't be misinterpreted, it is right there on the flip chart.
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Look at this tread for a pic of all gray seats (carpet is still black). Remember this is a 3LT, not 4LT.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...ior-color.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...ior-color.html
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Drifting
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mpuzach,
Now we're gettin' somewhere. I could tolerate teh black carpet and dash. You can always mod the carpet. The all "gray" seats are nice and not so hot in the sun. And calling one "seats" and the other "interior" is a bit confusing.
Take a look at what you wrote. (See the section that I bolded.) The seats are available in both solid titanium and 2-tone titanium/ebony. If that's what the chart is saying, then it's correct. Regardless of if you get all-titanium or titanium/ebony seats, the interior will be titanium with ebony upper dash and upper door panels. It sounds like you're mixing up seat color choices with interior color choices.
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I think this dealer is going to end up costing you money (IE you won't be able to get a 2010 but have to pay higher for a 2011). I know loyality is great and all but I would seriously consider buying from one of the forum dealers. They know what they are talking about and they will offer the best price out there. I consider a loyal dealer a two way street. I'll give them chance at my business first, but they should give me a price that is better than most. It would have cost over $1k to be loyal to my dealer so I went with Tim at Boardwalk.
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