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Old Nov 14, 2010 | 08:12 PM
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I remebered the hood went on the black 07, I forgot about that. The hood that is on your car came off the 07.
Did anything happen abnormally when putting the driveline back in, pinched wires anything. This car never had any issue but two and those were caused by recklessness. First the car was at the dealer for a starter motor and the mechanic jammed a screwdriver into the solenoid right in front of us to show how it was sparking. They blamed this on the headers, so we put a starter on it and found the starter lug was broken on the inside of the solenoid it should have been under warranty. The Second was the night Paul purchased the car and overreved it, nothing in the engine was damaged but it killed the alternator.
As far as the guy telling you to sell it, he is nuts, this is absolutly one of the fastest ZO6's with a stock engine, you got a smokin deal on it.
Think about everything when you had it apart, it is bound to be something simple. Did you install head and cam and if so who tuned it. Both sides of the air data have to be within a certain percentage or else you can get the issue you are having, the two sides are the MAF vs. VE table. It could be a tuning issue, but look at mechanical stuff first.
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Old Nov 14, 2010 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by '06 Quicksilver Z06
jatolbert, if you are smart, you'll jump at this opportunity in bold. It might be the best offer, and the best chance you have of getting shed of this headache you bought that the prior owner sold you without full disclosure.

From their comment above, they are wiling to take it off your hands, knowing full well that it is jacked up. Saves you the trouble of trying to move it the hard way, and having to tell a potential buyer of this nightmarish tale.

That part in bold, they wouldn't have to ask me that $#** twice.

Going through this nightmare, and somebody knowing the problems I have been having with it, for months now, after, for whatever reasons, not knowing that it had this problem when I bought it, asks me; "Do I want to sell it?"

I'd tell them; "You're ******* right I want to sell it. Make me an offer."

Tell them to make you an offer. See how serious they are.

Anything even remotely resembling a serious offer, I'd take it and put this nightmare behind me.

A chance to put this whole nightmare behind you?????? I'd sell that emmeffer to them so fast it would make their heads spin.





They just offered you the best "help" you are going to get. They just gave you the answer to your prayers. Be smart. Take it.

This car had no issues and I mean none. I put more miles on this car than anyone when it was new and we modified it and it was a perfect car.
I don't know what happened to it after it left my hands, I only talked to Paul once and it was asking what we did to this car, he could not believe how fast it was and told me a story about doing 197mph on interstate 95. However after it was sold this car came completely apart.
It has been out of our hands since 07. It is just a car with a bunch of components and it can be fixed, just like all the stock ones out there that have issues too. The best cars in the world are the ones that are modified, they always bring the best money and the best stories.
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Old Nov 14, 2010 | 08:32 PM
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Rev limiter switch??? Sounds like it was over revvvvved
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Old Nov 14, 2010 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by vetsvett
Rev limiter switch??? Sounds like it was over revvvvved
The RPM it went to was not an issue on the engine, just the alt. They don't like to go over 7k.
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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jabbott
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As far as the guy telling you to sell it, he is nuts, this is absolutly one of the fastest ZO6's with a stock engine, you got a smokin deal on it.
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And despite that, it's giving him, and the owner before him, a reduced power message which no one yet has solved. He is the second owner to run in circles trying to solve this problem, and he has no assurances that it will ever be solved during his ownership.

You asked if he wanted to sell it.

Were you serious or just joshing' and hopin' (still hopin') that he doesn't ask you to make him an offer, since you inquired as to if he wanted to sell it?

Why ask him if he wanted to sell it, unless you are serious about buying it?

I'm merely suggesting that he give you a "yes" answer to your question, since you asked him if he wanted to sell it

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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jabbott
This car had no issues and I mean none. I put more miles on this car than anyone when it was new and we modified it and it was a perfect car.
I don't know what happened to it after it left my hands, I only talked to Paul once and it was asking what we did to this car, he could not believe how fast it was and told me a story about doing 197mph on interstate 95. However after it was sold this car came completely apart.
It has been out of our hands since 07. It is just a car with a bunch of components and it can be fixed, just like all the stock ones out there that have issues too. The best cars in the world are the ones that are modified, they always bring the best money and the best stories.
Were you interested in buying it when you asked him if he wanted to sell it?

Because if you are, it gives him two immediate options instead of one.

Those options being:

1. Keep spending time. money, and wasting stomach lining, attempting to chase this problem.

2. Sell it to you.

But if you weren't serious about buying it, then it leaves him in the dilemma of continuing to use time and resources, financial and otherwise, to try and run this problem down.

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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 01:01 PM
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Absolutely, while that car has had two different owner, I know if from top to bottom and front to rear. You have missed the point with the customer, the he knows what he has and how awesome that car is and is not interested in selling it. He is interested in fixing it, which will not be a big deal. It sounds like something in the fuse box is loose because it happens when the car hot and it hits a bump. The fuse box has always been an issue on all of them including your stock one. The connections are not very tight and it only takes someone sticking a fuse in wrong either when it is assembled or out in the field to cause an issue. However once you know what to look for it is not a difficult fix.
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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by '06 Quicksilver Z06
Were you interested in buying it when you asked him if he wanted to sell it?

Because if you are, it gives him two immediate options instead of one.

Those options being:

1. Keep spending time. money, and wasting stomach lining, attempting to chase this problem.

2. Sell it to you.

But if you weren't serious about buying it, then it leaves him in the dilemma of continuing to use time and resources, financial and otherwise, to try and run this problem down.
So if your car developed an issue you would sell it to someone else?
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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jabbott
So if your car developed an issue you would sell it to someone else?
This one didn't "develop" an issue. From reading of its past, it at least appears to me that it came to the current owner with an issue. One which appears to have been mentioned on this forum, before the current owner came along and bought it.

Had it been purchased new, it likely would have been lemon lawed and "sold" back to whomever sold it to him.

So yes, there are provisions for people to sell their cars which they bought and have problems subsequently.

If I bought a car which may have come into my possession with what may have been a headache of a prior existing condition, I'd sell the heck out of it, to anyone offering to buy it. Especially if the one making the offer were aware of the issue and offered to buy it anyway.

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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 02:58 PM
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Because of the low voltages used with computers, etc., any POOR connection, crimping, stripping, corrosion, etc. can cause a malfunction. This is the main reason that ANY device or application will be a VERY HARD THING TO DEBUG. Even though a visual check is very important to hopefully find the defect, even the slightest assumption can be the defect. Wishing you the best in finding the problem, BUT these can be the hardest. Unfortunately, easier said than done. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by 2006c6keller
Because of the low voltages used with computers, etc., any POOR connection, crimping, stripping, corrosion, etc. can cause a malfunction. This is the main reason that ANY device or application will be a VERY HARD THING TO DEBUG. Even though a visual check is very important to hopefully find the defect, even the slightest assumption can be the defect. Wishing you the best in finding the problem, BUT these can be the hardest. Unfortunately, easier said than done. Good luck.
Yet another reason why I'd sell it to anyone offering to buy it.
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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 05:08 PM
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You are making something out to be more than it is. Why do you keep asking me if I would buy it, yes I would buy it. This car did not have any issue before the second owner had it, and it was not a lemon at all. This car has been in countless magazine ads and articles. The second owner was extremely rough on this car and what all he did I have no idea. However when you are familiar with something then the problems are usually not that difficult to solve. As I am with this car and Corvettes in general because you know this is what I do every day. I will help Josh get his issue fixed because that is what we do. As far a buying the car, I would do it today with a smile on my face. It is not a lemon, all that needs to be done is figured out what someone down there did to it, I have already talked to Josh and the second owner has someone else playing with the tune trying to squeeze more power from it. Who know could be in the tune, I doubt it but I will not rule it out. Maybe you did not read this earlier, but this is our old car so I know this car inside and out. It was one of the first ZO6's and it was the first to probably come apart in private hands and it tested allot of parts that are now out there being sold by many vendors, including that carbon clutch that is in it.
Problems happen and they are always fixable, this is not that difficult of one, what do you think happens when a Naval air craft carrier has an electrical issue, they send it back the boat yard under a lemon law., no they fix it, just like that awesome car can be brought back with spending any real money.
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Originally Posted by jabbott
You are making something out to be more than it is. Why do you keep asking me if I would buy it, yes I would buy it. This car did not have any issue before the second owner had it, and it was not a lemon at all. This car has been in countless magazine ads and articles. The second owner was extremely rough on this car and what all he did I have no idea. However when you are familiar with something then the problems are usually not that difficult to solve. As I am with this car and Corvettes in general because you know this is what I do every day. I will help Josh get his issue fixed because that is what we do. As far a buying the car, I would do it today with a smile on my face. It is not a lemon, all that needs to be done is figured out what someone down there did to it, I have already talked to Josh and the second owner has someone else playing with the tune trying to squeeze more power from it. Who know could be in the tune, I doubt it but I will not rule it out. Maybe you did not read this earlier, but this is our old car so I know this car inside and out. It was one of the first ZO6's and it was the first to probably come apart in private hands and it tested allot of parts that are now out there being sold by many vendors, including that carbon clutch that is in it.
Problems happen and they are always fixable, this is not that difficult of one, what do you think happens when a Naval air craft carrier has an electrical issue, they send it back the boat yard under a lemon law., no they fix it, just like that awesome car can be brought back with spending any real money.
Why isn't if fixed yet?
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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 05:23 PM
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Seriously. Well for one he is in Alabama and I am in VA. So everything that will be done will take some time just going back and forth to check things. I just talked to him this morning and he going to go check some things this evening.
If you are asking why it had these problems, READ the post, it is obvious that I was not aware of them. The last time I talked to Josh when he first bought the car he did not say anything about a issue. It had a bad clutch in it and they had the driveline out replacing it. When Paul owned it he never called to tell me there was anything wrong with it, I bowed out of working on it when he asked me to make it go faster after he told me he was doing 197 in it on I95 near Jacksonville. I guarantee if the car were here it would be fixed within a day or two.
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Seriously. Well for one he is in Alabama and I am in VA. So everything that will be done will take some time just going back and forth to check things. I just talked to him this morning and he going to go check some things this evening.
If you are asking why it had these problems, READ the post, it is obvious that I was not aware of them. The last time I talked to Josh when he first bought the car he did not say anything about a issue. It had a bad clutch in it and they had the driveline out replacing it. When Paul owned it he never called to tell me there was anything wrong with it, I bowed out of working on it when he asked me to make it go faster after he told me he was doing 197 in it on I95 near Jacksonville. I guarantee if the car were here it would be fixed within a day or two.
Yikes! Just don't hold your breath!

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So here is my question back. Now the guy who owns the car has said he does not want to sell it, he wants it fixes. Other then bashing others for helping, what have you done to actually help the guy. The question is not pointed at any one particular person but a couple on here that seem to remarks, but none of it helping the guy. Quicksilver I do understand where you are coming from, but he has stated that he does not want to sell it. He did call me earlier, my knowledge of this particular car in probably better then the line workers who originally built it. So we will fix it and it will be what it once was. I still believe this was the first ZO6 in the 10's, as none of the others backed up their times. This car pulled 8 consecutive 10.70-73 passes in a row with no cool down and it was in the 90's before the clutch exploded during a burn out on run 9.
This car is by far he fastest ZO6 with a stock motor and that was not supercharged I have every had or worked on, or driven. This car never got to make a pass on the 3 disc carbon clutch in it. I think it would have gone a high 10.50 with that since we would have been able to launch the car hard. Very fast car, and this car has a soul so it should be treated as such and not thrown away.
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Originally Posted by 2006c6keller
Yikes! Just don't hold your breath!
Hold my breath about what? You act as if this is a serious problem. Nothing that knowledge and right tools can't fix.
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Hold my breath about what? You act as if this is a serious problem. Nothing that knowledge and right tools can't fix.
Seriously, as you well probably know, temperature, vibration, humidity, voltage, etc., can all effect the way electonic parts can perform. The greatest problem is determining what the REAL problem is and then the problem can be attacked and fixed. I have worked around alot of electronics and sometimes they work fine and other times they don't and then work later, just think about your computer with lock ups for no reason, they just happened. Just think, if I had a penny for every BSOD (Blue screen of death), I would probably be richer than Bill Gates. Intermittent electronic problems are the hardest to resolve, sometimes never. Have a good day!

PS: Just a tip. Never use the word "guarantee" because you can "die" from it! The old saying: "Talk is cheap".
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This car had no issues and I mean none. I put more miles on this car than anyone when it was new and we modified it and it was a perfect car.
I don't know what happened to it after it left my hands, I only talked to Paul once and it was asking what we did to this car, he could not believe how fast it was and told me a story about doing 197mph on interstate 95. However after it was sold this car came completely apart.
It has been out of our hands since 07. It is just a car with a bunch of components and it can be fixed, just like all the stock ones out there that have issues too. The best cars in the world are the ones that are modified, they always bring the best money and the best stories.
Interesting. Most members on this forum have a different opinion about buying modded Corvettes.
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Interesting. Most members on this forum have a different opinion about buying modded Corvettes.
You couldn't of said it better, the business of business's modding cars would DEFINITELY be saying "bring the best money", just like a car salesmen. You are right on.
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