TSB v. Recall
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Instructor
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TSB v. Recall
With the harmonic balancer issue on the '05s, was there ever an ACTUAL recall related to this, or just TSB? The dealership is aknowledging the TSB for the problem. But says there is nothing they can do about it.
here is my vin if it is necessary;
1G1YY24U255111429
also there was no maintenance for this issue on the service record for this vehicle.
Sounds like i'm screwed. haha
here is my vin if it is necessary;
1G1YY24U255111429
also there was no maintenance for this issue on the service record for this vehicle.
Sounds like i'm screwed. haha
Last edited by joe h; Nov 16, 2010 at 03:29 PM.
Team Owner
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St. Jude Donor '21-'22-'23-'24
TSB only from what I can recall and from what information I stored on my PC.
TSB:
Check Gages Light, Battery Voltage Low, Accessory Drive Belt Slipping or Missing (Install Washer from WPC and Crankshaft Balancer) #05-06-01-001A - (Feb 8, 2005)
Table 1: Warranty Parts Center Parts
Table 2: GMSPO Parts
Table 3: Part Request Form -- Warranty Parts Center
Check Gages Light, Battery Voltage Low, Accessory Drive Belt Slipping or Missing (Install Washer from WPC and Crankshaft Balancer)
2005 Chevrolet Corvette
with 6.0L Engine (VIN U - RPO LS2)
Built Prior to VIN Breakpoint 55111039
This bulletin is being revised to include VIN breakpoint and additional inspection information. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 05-06-01-001 (Section 6 -- Engine).
Check Gages Light, Battery Voltage Low, Accessory Drive Belt Slipping or Missing (Install Washer from WPC and Crankshaft Balancer) #05-06-01-001A - (Feb 8, 2005)
Table 1: Warranty Parts Center Parts
Table 2: GMSPO Parts
Table 3: Part Request Form -- Warranty Parts Center
Check Gages Light, Battery Voltage Low, Accessory Drive Belt Slipping or Missing (Install Washer from WPC and Crankshaft Balancer)
2005 Chevrolet Corvette
with 6.0L Engine (VIN U - RPO LS2)
Built Prior to VIN Breakpoint 55111039
This bulletin is being revised to include VIN breakpoint and additional inspection information. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 05-06-01-001 (Section 6 -- Engine).
Le Mans Master
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From: Iowa
Were you hearing any kind of chirping sounds prior to the error messages? It seems to be the case that most have had that happen with the harmonic balancer issue.
Frankly, if it will start and there is another GM dealer close by, you may want to get a second opinion.
Who did you buy it from? Was there any kind of warranty offered?
Frankly, if it will start and there is another GM dealer close by, you may want to get a second opinion.
Who did you buy it from? Was there any kind of warranty offered?
Last edited by vettedoogie; Nov 16, 2010 at 03:46 PM.
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Instructor
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From: Houston TX
Thread Starter
Instructor
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 188
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From: Houston TX
Were you hearing any kind of chirping sounds prior to the error messages? It seems to be the case that most have had that happen with the harmonic balancer issue.
Frankly, if it will start and there is another GM dealer close by, you may want to get a second opinion.
Who did you buy it from? Was there any kind of warranty offered?
Frankly, if it will start and there is another GM dealer close by, you may want to get a second opinion.
Who did you buy it from? Was there any kind of warranty offered?
Team Owner
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From: queensbury ny
start here.Read this..
This is all up in FAQ's.I'd raise holy hell if I were you.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
That is for an automobile safety complaint... you can fax it, phone it in, or submit electronically.
The safety aspect is of course the loss of power steering and controllability, especially with slippery coolant loss!
Good luck!
Two complaints so far to the website (obviously forum members!!)
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...in/results.cfm
Results : 2 | All records displayed
Make : CHEVROLET Model : CORVETTE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : GENERAL MOTORS CORP.
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10100656 Date of Failure: October 24, 2004
VIN : 1G1YY24U055...
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:GASOLINE:BELTS AND ASSOCIATED PULLEYS
Summary:
(1) PURCHASED CAR 10/23/2004. (2) ON 10/24/2004, LESS THAN 24 HOURS AFTER PURCHASING THE CAR, THE CRANK PULLEY "CAME LOOSE" AND THE CAR THREW ITS SERPENTINE BELT (LEARNED AFTER THE INCIDENT) WHILE DRIVING ON A CROWDED INTERSTATE. THE FIRST INDICATION OF A PROBLEM WAS WHEN THE DRIVER INFORMATION CONSOLE (DIC) DISPLAYED A MALFUNCTION WITH THE VEHICLES CHARGING SYSTEM THAT NEEDED SERVICE. VOLTAGE DISPLAYED ON DIC DROPPED QUICKLY IN .1 VOLT INCREMENTS UNTIL ROUGHLY 11 VOLTS WERE DISPLAYED. THEN, THE CAR BECAME INCREASINGLY UNRESPONSIVE TO DRIVER INPUT FOR STEERING AND THROTTLE. BRAKES FELT "MUSHY" BUT CONTINUED TO RESPOND TO DRIVER INPUT. ALTHOUGH THE DASH DISPLAYED A FRIGHTENING NUMBER OF ERROR MESSAGES AND ALARMS, THE OCCUPANTS HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS THE MATTER WITH THE VEHICLE. TRYING TO CROSS 5 LANES OF PACKED FREEWAY TRAFFIC TO GET TO A SAFE BREAK DOWN AREA, IN A CAR THAT APPEARS TO HAVE LOST ITS MIND AND IS SPRAYING ANTIFREEZE ALL OVER THE HIGHWAY, COULD HAVE EASILY RESULTED IN INJURY OR DEATH. WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE DID NOT CAUSE AN ACCIDENT. 3) VEHICLE WAS "REPAIRED" AT OURISMAN CHEVROLET IN MARLOW HEIGHTS, MD. CRANK PULLEY, BOLT(S), SERPENTINE BELT, AND UNDERHOOD INSULATION (DAMAGED BY FLYING BELT) WERE REPLACED. A FRICTION WASHER WAS ADDED BEHIND THE CRANK PULLEY ON THE ADVICE OF GM TECH SUPPORT. *CAR BROKE DOWN AGAIN WITH THE SAME PROBLEM ON 13 NOVEMBER. CAR IS NOW AT RADLEY CHEVROLET IN FREDERICKSBURG, VA. GM HAS ORDERED THE MOTOR REPLACED AND THE DEALER IS AWAITING PARTS. THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED FAILURE, THERE ARE OTHER LS2 ENGINES BREAKING DOWN BECAUSE OF THIS CRANK PULLEY PROBLEM.*AK
Check to Request Research. Submit below.
Make : CHEVROLET Model : CORVETTE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : GENERAL MOTORS CORP.
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10101798 Date of Failure: November 30, 2004
VIN : 1G1YY22U855...
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:GASOLINE:BELTS AND ASSOCIATED PULLEYS
Summary:
COMPLAINT RECEIVED VIA E-MAIL. MY 3 DAY OLD CORVETTE SHREDDED ITS SERPENTINE BELT, OVERHEATED, AND LOST ITS STEERING. CAR HAD 300 MILES ON IT. FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN READING ON 'CORVETTE FORUM THIS WAS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT BUT HAS BEEN OCCURRING IN TOO MANY NEW CORVETTES. THIS PROBLEM COULD AFFECT THE OPERATION OF THE VEHICLE AS IT NOT ONLY AFFECTED THE COOLING SYSTEM BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE STEERING AND BRAKING. TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE THE REPAIR OF THIS PROBLEM WAS FAILING ON MANY CARS, AND THEY WERE EXPERIENCING IT FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD TIME. *AK. *AK
That is for an automobile safety complaint... you can fax it, phone it in, or submit electronically.
The safety aspect is of course the loss of power steering and controllability, especially with slippery coolant loss!
Good luck!
Two complaints so far to the website (obviously forum members!!)
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...in/results.cfm
Results : 2 | All records displayed
Make : CHEVROLET Model : CORVETTE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : GENERAL MOTORS CORP.
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10100656 Date of Failure: October 24, 2004
VIN : 1G1YY24U055...
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:GASOLINE:BELTS AND ASSOCIATED PULLEYS
Summary:
(1) PURCHASED CAR 10/23/2004. (2) ON 10/24/2004, LESS THAN 24 HOURS AFTER PURCHASING THE CAR, THE CRANK PULLEY "CAME LOOSE" AND THE CAR THREW ITS SERPENTINE BELT (LEARNED AFTER THE INCIDENT) WHILE DRIVING ON A CROWDED INTERSTATE. THE FIRST INDICATION OF A PROBLEM WAS WHEN THE DRIVER INFORMATION CONSOLE (DIC) DISPLAYED A MALFUNCTION WITH THE VEHICLES CHARGING SYSTEM THAT NEEDED SERVICE. VOLTAGE DISPLAYED ON DIC DROPPED QUICKLY IN .1 VOLT INCREMENTS UNTIL ROUGHLY 11 VOLTS WERE DISPLAYED. THEN, THE CAR BECAME INCREASINGLY UNRESPONSIVE TO DRIVER INPUT FOR STEERING AND THROTTLE. BRAKES FELT "MUSHY" BUT CONTINUED TO RESPOND TO DRIVER INPUT. ALTHOUGH THE DASH DISPLAYED A FRIGHTENING NUMBER OF ERROR MESSAGES AND ALARMS, THE OCCUPANTS HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS THE MATTER WITH THE VEHICLE. TRYING TO CROSS 5 LANES OF PACKED FREEWAY TRAFFIC TO GET TO A SAFE BREAK DOWN AREA, IN A CAR THAT APPEARS TO HAVE LOST ITS MIND AND IS SPRAYING ANTIFREEZE ALL OVER THE HIGHWAY, COULD HAVE EASILY RESULTED IN INJURY OR DEATH. WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE DID NOT CAUSE AN ACCIDENT. 3) VEHICLE WAS "REPAIRED" AT OURISMAN CHEVROLET IN MARLOW HEIGHTS, MD. CRANK PULLEY, BOLT(S), SERPENTINE BELT, AND UNDERHOOD INSULATION (DAMAGED BY FLYING BELT) WERE REPLACED. A FRICTION WASHER WAS ADDED BEHIND THE CRANK PULLEY ON THE ADVICE OF GM TECH SUPPORT. *CAR BROKE DOWN AGAIN WITH THE SAME PROBLEM ON 13 NOVEMBER. CAR IS NOW AT RADLEY CHEVROLET IN FREDERICKSBURG, VA. GM HAS ORDERED THE MOTOR REPLACED AND THE DEALER IS AWAITING PARTS. THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED FAILURE, THERE ARE OTHER LS2 ENGINES BREAKING DOWN BECAUSE OF THIS CRANK PULLEY PROBLEM.*AK
Check to Request Research. Submit below.
Make : CHEVROLET Model : CORVETTE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : GENERAL MOTORS CORP.
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10101798 Date of Failure: November 30, 2004
VIN : 1G1YY22U855...
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:GASOLINE:BELTS AND ASSOCIATED PULLEYS
Summary:
COMPLAINT RECEIVED VIA E-MAIL. MY 3 DAY OLD CORVETTE SHREDDED ITS SERPENTINE BELT, OVERHEATED, AND LOST ITS STEERING. CAR HAD 300 MILES ON IT. FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN READING ON 'CORVETTE FORUM THIS WAS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT BUT HAS BEEN OCCURRING IN TOO MANY NEW CORVETTES. THIS PROBLEM COULD AFFECT THE OPERATION OF THE VEHICLE AS IT NOT ONLY AFFECTED THE COOLING SYSTEM BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE STEERING AND BRAKING. TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE THE REPAIR OF THIS PROBLEM WAS FAILING ON MANY CARS, AND THEY WERE EXPERIENCING IT FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD TIME. *AK. *AK
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Instructor
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From: Houston TX
Okay gents you can lock this one up, I found the solution I was looking for in regards to the TSB question. My car was outside the VIN Breakpoint, so the extended warranty will be taking this bullet.
Le Mans Master
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You haven't gone 3 days in the contract yet have you? I'd be calling them asap and telling them if they don't make good you'll stop payment. In Iowa you have 3 days to back out of a car contract.
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The TSB applied to first 11,039 cars. Yours was the 11,429th car. Unless you are having a specific problem with the "crank pulley" there is nothing that needs to be done to it.
Le Mans Master
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From: Iowa
But this is only for the harmonic balancer, right? It doesn't fix the electrical problem, does it?
Man, you got too many threads open talking about this...I'm having trouble keeping up!
Burning Brakes
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Following are the RECALLs for 2005 Corvette. The Crank Bolt is not there. You, or your extended warranty, has to pay for any work on this.
Have you replaced the alternator? If you get a good one on the car, unless you killed the battery driving it with the bad alternator, it should recharge the battery and you can be on your way.
I would have someone else look at the crank before putting money into it.
From http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/
Results : 5 | All records displayed
Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE
Model Year: 2005
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr's Report Date: OCT 27, 2004
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 04V525000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:HOSES, LINES/PIPING, AND FITTINGS
Potential Number of Units Affected: 5225
Check to Request Research. Submit below. Get Summary
Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE
Model Year: 2005
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr's Report Date: OCT 04, 2005
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 05V455000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: STEERING:HYDRAULIC POWER ASSIST:HOSE, PIPING, AND CONNECTIONS
Potential Number of Units Affected: 123592
Check to Request Research. Submit below. Get Summary
Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE
Model Year: 2005
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr's Report Date: MAY 24, 2006
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 06V181000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: STRUCTURE:BODY:ROOF AND PILLARS
Potential Number of Units Affected: 30793
Check to Request Research. Submit below. Get Summary
Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE
Model Year: 2005
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr's Report Date: DEC 18, 2009
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 09V491000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: STRUCTURE:BODY:ROOF AND PILLARS
Potential Number of Units Affected: 22090
Check to Request Research. Submit below. Get Summary
Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE
Model Year: 2005
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr's Report Date: APR 26, 2010
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 10V172000 EA09002
NHTSA Action Number: EA09002
Component: STEERING:COLUMN
Potential Number of Units Affected: 40028
Check to Request Research. Submit below.
Have you replaced the alternator? If you get a good one on the car, unless you killed the battery driving it with the bad alternator, it should recharge the battery and you can be on your way.
I would have someone else look at the crank before putting money into it.
From http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/
Results : 5 | All records displayed
Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE
Model Year: 2005
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr's Report Date: OCT 27, 2004
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 04V525000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:HOSES, LINES/PIPING, AND FITTINGS
Potential Number of Units Affected: 5225
Check to Request Research. Submit below. Get Summary
Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE
Model Year: 2005
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr's Report Date: OCT 04, 2005
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 05V455000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: STEERING:HYDRAULIC POWER ASSIST:HOSE, PIPING, AND CONNECTIONS
Potential Number of Units Affected: 123592
Check to Request Research. Submit below. Get Summary
Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE
Model Year: 2005
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr's Report Date: MAY 24, 2006
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 06V181000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: STRUCTURE:BODY:ROOF AND PILLARS
Potential Number of Units Affected: 30793
Check to Request Research. Submit below. Get Summary
Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE
Model Year: 2005
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr's Report Date: DEC 18, 2009
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 09V491000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: STRUCTURE:BODY:ROOF AND PILLARS
Potential Number of Units Affected: 22090
Check to Request Research. Submit below. Get Summary
Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE
Model Year: 2005
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr's Report Date: APR 26, 2010
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 10V172000 EA09002
NHTSA Action Number: EA09002
Component: STEERING:COLUMN
Potential Number of Units Affected: 40028
Check to Request Research. Submit below.
Thread Starter
Instructor
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From: Houston TX
The alternator is being replaced tomorrow. They had to pick it up from another dealer. (I was hoping they would take my car with them) haha I just hope it resolves the problem.
The only other option was to have it towed home for $3/mi. These people are criminals out here. I think I heard rumors at the water cooler of a anti-vette owners meeting/ cross burning ceremony tonight.
I'll let y'all know the outcome of both repairs. There's nothing worse than a thread this long with no results.
Le Mans Master
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From: Iowa
Cross-burning for Vettes!?I have to admit, you are handling this very well considering everything you're going through.
FWIW, I think you are a victim of not really researching it as well as you might have AND bad timing. Best of luck getting it home and finally enjoying it the way you should.
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Instructor
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From: Houston TX
I even went as far as reading the TSB with him to point out that marking the position of the old one is important).Now I think I've just had enough... i've accepted that I can't find a decent drink or steak in this town, and probly wont find a capable group of GM personnel that I feel comfortable leaving my new investment with. And where are all the women hiding??
haha thanks captain obvious
Hope you find the women but not at the cross burning!
Race Director
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From: Phila Suburbs 2023 C8 & 2013 650ix
The TSB applied to first 11,039 cars. Yours was the 11,429th car. Unless you are having a specific problem with the "crank pulley" there is nothing that needs to be done to it.
The belt is cherping when under hard acceleration now, and there is a slight bounce in it's rotation. I didn't notice it the first 3 days.
There is so much going on during hard acceleration that I doubt that what you are hearing is a chirping belt. I've never heard of a belt just chirping under hard acceleration. The cases that needed a replacement crank pulley (mine included) all chirped at idle in neutral. Some pulley wobble is considered normal.
The belt is cherping when under hard acceleration now, and there is a slight bounce in it's rotation. I didn't notice it the first 3 days.
There is so much going on during hard acceleration that I doubt that what you are hearing is a chirping belt. I've never heard of a belt just chirping under hard acceleration. The cases that needed a replacement crank pulley (mine included) all chirped at idle in neutral. Some pulley wobble is considered normal.
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Instructor
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There is so much going on during hard acceleration that I doubt that what you are hearing is a chirping belt. I've never heard of a belt just chirping under hard acceleration. The cases that needed a replacement crank pulley (mine included) all chirped at idle in neutral. Some pulley wobble is considered normal.
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OK, hard acceleration to me meant out on the road.
Now is it chirping, like a rhythmic squeal or is it a solid squeal. Squeal under acceleration in neutral is usually the sign of "loose" belt caused by a failed/worn belt tensioner.
Now is it chirping, like a rhythmic squeal or is it a solid squeal. Squeal under acceleration in neutral is usually the sign of "loose" belt caused by a failed/worn belt tensioner.
