Sunoco Gas..okay?
Instructor
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From: Jacksonville. FL
Interesting on where the major companies get their oil from.
Ive alway used Shell but there is a local Sunoco that I will consider using instead.
Ive alway used Shell but there is a local Sunoco that I will consider using instead.
Last edited by SnakeBT6; Jun 23, 2011 at 09:42 PM.
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Oh yeah, I did pull the air cleaner off before the run...
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Whether you choose to believe it or not, to earn top tier gas designation, you must pass very real and quite significant tests measuring gasoline cleanliness and detergency. The designation is recognized by auto manufacturers. While it obviously has marketing implications, it is not a meaningless invention of the bad old oil companies. It is a designation with significance that matters to engine cleanliness.
Drifting
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The following gas companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell................................... ... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco..................... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil........................ 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............. 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco.................................. 62,231,000 barrels
Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco..........................0 barrels
Conoco...........................0 barrels
Sinclair.........................0 barrels
BP/Phillips....................0 barrels
Hess..............................0 barrels
ARC0..............................0 barrels
Maverick.......................0 barrels
Flying J..........................0 barrels
Valero.............................0 barrels
Murphy Oil USA *.............0 barrels *Sold at Wal-Mart , gas is from South
Shell................................... ... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco..................... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil........................ 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............. 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco.................................. 62,231,000 barrels
Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco..........................0 barrels
Conoco...........................0 barrels
Sinclair.........................0 barrels
BP/Phillips....................0 barrels
Hess..............................0 barrels
ARC0..............................0 barrels
Maverick.......................0 barrels
Flying J..........................0 barrels
Valero.............................0 barrels
Murphy Oil USA *.............0 barrels *Sold at Wal-Mart , gas is from South
There is only so much oil out there, and whether we like it or not, the USA taken as a whole must import some Arabian oil. There is not enough non-Arabian oil to satisfy our demand. If you mark off Shell, Chevron, Exxon, Amoco because of Arabian Oil, you are not only kidding yourself, you are marking off some very good, top tier gas. Incidentally, Arco, Sinclair, and Amoco are all merged into, or subsidiaries of BP. I don’t know how they decide that Amoco imports Arabian oil and the others don’t. World wide, BP imports a ton of Arabian crude. Citgo’s relationship to Venezuela/Chavez is different. They are totally owned by Venezuela. Most of the other companies have small joint venture interests here and there with countries that some consider controversial, but that is typical of all corporations today, and none of those interests even approaches being big enough to be a controlling, or even very influential interest. So bottom line, if you want to walk away from an oil company due to association with questionable countries, you may have at least some reason to do so with Citgo. But for the others, it's a zero sum game. You might buy more "US gas", but since US consumption is so far over US production of oil, that simply means someone else will buy less "US gas".
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Drifting
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I stand corrected. Upon doing a bit of internet research, I found that Sinclair did merge with Arco, and Arco with BP. However, as a condition of the Sinclair/Arco merger, the feds made them divest the western part of the Sinclair operation. That escaped my notice, as I live in Houston, and what had been the Sinclair operations here disappeared. My apology for the error. Today’s Sinclair is indeed a relatively small independent company, operating mostly in the west.
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I stand corrected. Upon doing a bit of internet research, I found that Sinclair did merge with Arco, and Arco with BP. However, as a condition of the Sinclair/Arco merger, the feds made them divest the western part of the Sinclair operation. That escaped my notice, as I live in Houston, and what had been the Sinclair operations here disappeared. My apology for the error. Today’s Sinclair is indeed a relatively small independent company, operating mostly in the west.
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Le Mans Master
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Whether you choose to believe it or not, to earn top tier gas designation, you must pass very real and quite significant tests measuring gasoline cleanliness and detergency. The designation is recognized by auto manufacturers. While it obviously has marketing implications, it is not a meaningless invention of the bad old oil companies. It is a designation with significance that matters to engine cleanliness.
"top tier" is hardly an independent standard for measuring quality. It is not an SAE designation. It is a name brand gimmick 100% for the purpose of marketing.
Drifting
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Your size comment, which I don't doubt is true, points out an interesting aspect of why oil companies are so unpopular. Though 7 billion in sales, and 42th largest US company sounds big, when you consider it in the context of oil companies, it is quite small. It only amounts to about 200,000 barrels per day, way less than the capacity of one typical refinery of the majors. That huge size of the majors means huge profit in dollars, but when you shift to the more meaningful terms of dollars proft per dollar invested, the picture changes. A single big refinery or a single big production platform is in the multi-billion dollar cost range. If you look at oil company profits as a percent return on investment, they are strictly middle of the road in comparison to other industries. That is not to say people should feel sorry for us. But we shouldn’t be cast as villians either. If we were really the kings of profit, everybody would want our stock, and its value would go through the roof. That does not happen, proving that we are pretty much average in terms of percent profit return on dollars invested, which is the only meaningful way of looking at profit.
Drifting
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That is exactly like saying all Pepsi products are made to exact Pepsi specifications and are somehow better because they have the Pepsi logo on the can. Guess what beverage will not be on the 'Pepsi' list? Yea, Coke. So the Pepsi marketing somehow makes the Pepsi better than Coke? No, not really.
"top tier" is hardly an independent standard for measuring quality. It is not an SAE designation. It is a name brand gimmick 100% for the purpose of marketing.
"top tier" is hardly an independent standard for measuring quality. It is not an SAE designation. It is a name brand gimmick 100% for the purpose of marketing.
Drifting
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Before you reply in anger, after re-reading my last post, I see that it could be interpreted as me saying that you are a know-nothing. That’s not what I intended. I was just trying to make the point that I am not a know-nothing who is trying to boost top tier sales. I would presume that your comments are honest and well intentioned, but like many, with all the bad press the oil companies get, you mis-trust them. None of us are perfect, myself included as indicated by my clumsy wording. But the top tier differences are there.
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Your size comment, which I don't doubt is true, points out an interesting aspect of why oil companies are so unpopular. Though 7 billion in sales, and 42th largest US company sounds big, when you consider it in the context of oil companies, it is quite small. It only amounts to about 200,000 barrels per day, way less than the capacity of one typical refinery of the majors. That huge size of the majors means huge profit in dollars, but when you shift to the more meaningful terms of dollars proft per dollar invested, the picture changes. A single big refinery or a single big production platform is in the multi-billion dollar cost range. If you look at oil company profits as a percent return on investment, they are strictly middle of the road in comparison to other industries. That is not to say people should feel sorry for us. But we shouldn’t be cast as villians either. If we were really the kings of profit, everybody would want our stock, and its value would go through the roof. That does not happen, proving that we are pretty much average in terms of percent profit return on dollars invested, which is the only meaningful way of looking at profit.
Le Mans Master
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I remember the old man pumping Sunoco in the family Oldsmobile back in the 60's.. They had all these grades you could select from.. 260 sticks in my mind.. don't know what it equated to..