Katech "Track Attack" in Europe
#41
Hey werks. If I am following the the links above correctly, it looks like he put in a 2nd stage stage scavenge pump and some baffling in the pan and sump. Looks close to an ARE solution but using gm hardware. Can't say this was the cause of the piston failure but less than optimal oiling is never a good thing.
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The Car had been to Katech for a checkup at 14000 something miles and got the valve springs changed (according to the previous owner) And I think it had 15500 on the reading when I got it. After that I switched to KM so not quite sure. But my car has been at APP all year and they have checked it after every track day. So basically it was the pistons that went and internally I don`t think they do anything after 30 Hours. The rest of the stuff was discovered after we took it apart. I have sent you an PM with further details.
As for next season I am expecting to drive There is one Z06 in the Netherlands with the same engine as mine.. Trackdays all the time and has done over 100.000km without any maintenance besides the normal you would have to do to a stock engine.
Kim
As for next season I am expecting to drive There is one Z06 in the Netherlands with the same engine as mine.. Trackdays all the time and has done over 100.000km without any maintenance besides the normal you would have to do to a stock engine.
Kim
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Here is the Upgrade kit:
http://www.appracingengines.com/prod...tem%20Step%202
and:
http://www.appracingengines.com/prod...or%20Crankcase
http://www.appracingengines.com/prod...tem%20Step%202
and:
http://www.appracingengines.com/prod...or%20Crankcase
Thanks in advance!
Ronald
#44
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Hi Kim,
what is the service plan for such APP engine? Katech wants to see again their Track Attacks in about 30 hours - which equals to 4-5 weekends in Spa or on Nordschleife easily.
Lets say that Monza, Spa and Nurburgring are very very fast, full throttle tracks....
I'd say APP's quality is second to none here in Europe, but their pricing too - what do You expect for you new engine for next season?
I'm planing to get new engine too, and I have to admit I was decided to buy it from Katech for cheaper (with shipping) than from APP - until I have read Your story
Vit
what is the service plan for such APP engine? Katech wants to see again their Track Attacks in about 30 hours - which equals to 4-5 weekends in Spa or on Nordschleife easily.
Lets say that Monza, Spa and Nurburgring are very very fast, full throttle tracks....
I'd say APP's quality is second to none here in Europe, but their pricing too - what do You expect for you new engine for next season?
I'm planing to get new engine too, and I have to admit I was decided to buy it from Katech for cheaper (with shipping) than from APP - until I have read Your story
Vit
You should probably consider the whole story. This engine had over 75 hard track hours on it when it was sold. I don't know how many hours were put on it after that. We recommend a rebuild at 30 hours with new pistons. When you go over double the service life road racing, pistons are going to crack. That's like running the 24 Hours of Le Mans over three times back to back to back without rebuilding the engine. I'm not surprised.
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I thought the "universal way" for gauging wear and tear on many mechanical things like engines was hours of operation and not miles. No criticism of OP.
#47
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As I understood it with the vacuum valve it controls the pressure in the crank house to not more then 0,7Bar. Over this the engine will throw oil in to the inlet and burn it.
#48
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You should probably consider the whole story. This engine had over 75 hard track hours on it when it was sold. I don't know how many hours were put on it after that. We recommend a rebuild at 30 hours with new pistons. When you go over double the service life road racing, pistons are going to crack. That's like running the 24 Hours of Le Mans over three times back to back to back without rebuilding the engine. I'm not surprised.
#50
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Ok, just took a look at the links that you posted and from those I'm guessing that you were not running an upgraded oiling system, so honestly with what you were using the car for it was probably only a matter of time before you experienced some oiling issues and you lost the engine. I actually think that you might have gotten off lightly and be lucky that the damage was not worse. The system that you have now sounds like it is somewhat along the lines of an ARE Stage 3 with an altered oil pan rather than replaced pan like with the ARE set up. This is what I have on my car also and frankly is imho probably the first upgrade that should be done on any type of vette that is going to be used extensively on the track (don't know if it was available when your car was first built thought).
#51
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As written before I am not complaining about the build quality of the engine. Do you track it these things can happen. But if what you say about the hours of the engine is correct and you have informed the pervious owner about this then he did a sneaky move to sell it instead of fixing it. According to him the engine was only gone 2-3 track days a year and 1 last year before he sold it. And after the springs where changed the engine had much more life in it :/ This just confirms my decision that next time i build a car from the scratch! All in all even if its been a long and expensive way to go I am very happy with my Toy.. There is nothing touching it on the track and it looks amazing
#52
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Yes, I was very lucky. If the pistons had split it would have bin a whole different story!! So all in all I am very happy it went as it went! I don't know what was available in 2007 but it is just normal that things evolve and we learn as we drive The thing for me is that i live and Work in Norway, So I need the car to be maintained here in Europe. But Now I know the exact milage and runtime of the engine and can plan the maintenance after this!
The key though now I think is just staying on top of the maintenance like you mentioned. If the car starts idling rough or seeping oil, get it looked at don't drive around it. These maxed out track cars are almost like having a super model girlfriend, they take work, need to be pampered a bit, like to go to the spa (garage) frequently for facials, massages and "regular maintenance" and if you do not treat them well, they will through a temper tantrum and completely ruin your day. But if you treat them right they make you look like a super stud, make all of your friends envious and at the end of the day (or night) will (hopefully ;-) rock your world
#53
You have wider range of engines - I'd like Your 472 TA tuned for E85 which is not the substitute for APP race engine (really proven with Callaway competition - Euro GT3 champions) I'know the guys from them, and they are busy all season long
I want to say that the decision is quite complex
#54
And no-one except about 3 racing teams is able to do a build for You.
There is only a few Corvettes here because of GM's incompetence.
And they are struggling in racing because of rules tailored for Audi and Mercedes (typicaly maximal displacement :-() - e.g. one large importer of Corvettes is seller of and races with Merc SLS - he does not want to see 7 year old model beating brand new supercar....
Typically Callaway Competition shifted from GT3 to ADAC GT Masters because of this...
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No no, I can live with 30 mh interval - for me to get the car to Netherlands is about the same cost as to get the engine to the USA and back. The difference is in time as the shipping to the USA is about 6 7 8 weeks one way.
You have wider range of engines - I'd like Your 472 TA tuned for E85 which is not the substitute for APP race engine (really proven with Callaway competition - Euro GT3 champions) I'know the guys from them, and they are busy all season long
I want to say that the decision is quite complex
You have wider range of engines - I'd like Your 472 TA tuned for E85 which is not the substitute for APP race engine (really proven with Callaway competition - Euro GT3 champions) I'know the guys from them, and they are busy all season long
I want to say that the decision is quite complex
Rune
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