All Wheel Drive
Melting Slicks
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Drifting
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From: Las Vegas NV
Drifting
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Excuse my while I whip this out.....
Exactly like you said, you would still need different tires.
What else do you want? Should Harley make you a bike with four wheels, AWD, an enclosed cabin with a heater, radio controls......oh and studded car like tires? After all, AWD is better than rear which is better than one and studded tires for the winter months.
Indy, Nascar and the NHRA/IHRA top fuel cars are so behind in technology running their stupid rear wheel drive cars.
Melting Slicks
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Melting Slicks
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I'd buy it in a heartbeat just to keep my car in it's proper lane when accelerating
Wet or Dry....
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Try me.
BTW, there are no "links" to the conversations I've had with Porsche engineers. And I'm not going to post the e-mails I've exchanged with them either.
Post up what you disagree with in terms of my explanation of Porsche's AWD system, or I'll take it you don't actually have anything to contribute on the subject.
BTW, there are no "links" to the conversations I've had with Porsche engineers. And I'm not going to post the e-mails I've exchanged with them either.
Post up what you disagree with in terms of my explanation of Porsche's AWD system, or I'll take it you don't actually have anything to contribute on the subject.
Drifting
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From: Las Vegas NV
It takes the sport out of things when all you have to do is hit the gas and not work a clutch or have to actually shift and concentrate on the launch. That is like going golfing and having a giant magnet in the hole, dropping from anywhere on the green with a ball that will be drawn directly towards the magnet and go in the hole every time.
I have two cars so yes, I would rather garage a car for the winter rather than drive it with different tires on it.
Exactly like you said, you would still need different tires.
Hence why most of us if not all in colder climates have two vehicles. We know that going in to it.
What else do you want? Should Harley make you a bike with four wheels, AWD, an enclosed cabin with a heater, radio controls......oh and studded car like tires? After all, AWD is better than rear which is better than one and studded tires for the winter months.
Where did I say that I love the fact that the Corvette is behind in so many technological areas.
Indy, Nascar and the NHRA/IHRA top fuel cars are so behind in technology running their stupid rear wheel drive cars.
I have two cars so yes, I would rather garage a car for the winter rather than drive it with different tires on it.
Exactly like you said, you would still need different tires.
Hence why most of us if not all in colder climates have two vehicles. We know that going in to it.
What else do you want? Should Harley make you a bike with four wheels, AWD, an enclosed cabin with a heater, radio controls......oh and studded car like tires? After all, AWD is better than rear which is better than one and studded tires for the winter months.
Where did I say that I love the fact that the Corvette is behind in so many technological areas.
Indy, Nascar and the NHRA/IHRA top fuel cars are so behind in technology running their stupid rear wheel drive cars.
Great post..
Drifting
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From: Las Vegas NV
Try me.
BTW, there are no "links" to the conversations I've had with Porsche engineers. And I'm not going to post the e-mails I've exchanged with them either.
Post up what you disagree with in terms of my explanation of Porsche's AWD system, or I'll take it you don't actually have anything to contribute on the subject.
BTW, there are no "links" to the conversations I've had with Porsche engineers. And I'm not going to post the e-mails I've exchanged with them either.
Post up what you disagree with in terms of my explanation of Porsche's AWD system, or I'll take it you don't actually have anything to contribute on the subject.
Drifting
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From: Las Vegas NV
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Yep, everyone has to bear in mind that there are billions of dollars at stake in the auto industry and that promotion of one's own product and denigration of the competitor's product are a part of the game----- quite naturally.
Melting Slicks
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From: WA
Drifting
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From: Las Vegas NV
It takes the sport out of things when all you have to do is hit the gas and not work a clutch or have to actually shift and concentrate on the launch. That is like going golfing and having a giant magnet in the hole, dropping from anywhere on the green with a ball that will be drawn directly towards the magnet and go in the hole every time.
I have two cars so yes, I would rather garage a car for the winter rather than drive it with different tires on it.
Exactly like you said, you would still need different tires.
Hence why most of us if not all in colder climates have two vehicles. We know that going in to it.
What else do you want? Should Harley make you a bike with four wheels, AWD, an enclosed cabin with a heater, radio controls......oh and studded car like tires? After all, AWD is better than rear which is better than one and studded tires for the winter months.
Where did I say that I love the fact that the Corvette is behind in so many technological areas.
Indy, Nascar and the NHRA/IHRA top fuel cars are so behind in technology running their stupid rear wheel drive cars.
I have two cars so yes, I would rather garage a car for the winter rather than drive it with different tires on it.
Exactly like you said, you would still need different tires.
Hence why most of us if not all in colder climates have two vehicles. We know that going in to it.
What else do you want? Should Harley make you a bike with four wheels, AWD, an enclosed cabin with a heater, radio controls......oh and studded car like tires? After all, AWD is better than rear which is better than one and studded tires for the winter months.
Where did I say that I love the fact that the Corvette is behind in so many technological areas.
Indy, Nascar and the NHRA/IHRA top fuel cars are so behind in technology running their stupid rear wheel drive cars.
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From: Fair Oaks, California
Why bother testing 0-60 times if you are using it on the street only. Where can you accelerate at 100% throttle.. from 0-60.. on a public street or highway, without getting pulled over? Why bother comparing 1/4 mile times, top speed mph, laptimes, skidpad, and braking tests.. when the vast majority of them are driven on the street. If we were talking about street driving only, then we can talk about Camry's vs Accords.
But when you pick up a magazine like MotorTrend.. and start looking at those "performance tests", those with AWD have a significant traction advantage and win pretty much every acceleration tests. The Z06 & ZR1 arent losing acceleration tests because they cant make power. They are losing because they cannot put 500hp+ to the ground on street tires. Wanna see something ridiculously impressive.. how about a trio of under 3 second 0-60 factory cars. Only AWD is able to do this on street tires:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOQFMlpdVI
But when you pick up a magazine like MotorTrend.. and start looking at those "performance tests", those with AWD have a significant traction advantage and win pretty much every acceleration tests. The Z06 & ZR1 arent losing acceleration tests because they cant make power. They are losing because they cannot put 500hp+ to the ground on street tires. Wanna see something ridiculously impressive.. how about a trio of under 3 second 0-60 factory cars. Only AWD is able to do this on street tires:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOQFMlpdVI
yet the factor is only in a straight line. Corners won't matter unless we're talking about a HIGHLY sophisticated AWD system.
AWD works great but I sure wouldn't want it as it would make everyone else look good. Of course, people with talent would still look BETTER. But hey, I'd prefer it if most people look bad.
Also, AWD is no good because it isn't magic. I still need all season tires to drive in winter climates. I can't just leave my summer tires on year round and so I'd rather garage my car in winter than put all season tires on it.
And here's a news flash, high horse power cars without AWD are pretty worthless on anything but dry pavement. However, add AWD and they corner better on dry and much better in wet conditions.
Why do so many here love the fact that Corvette is behind in so many technology areas? Most people want cars that are faster and safer but here I'm betting many would opt for drum brakes and carburetors if given the choice.
If you guys want AWD has a cover up for bad driving habits, that's fine. However the advantage to AWD is gone after the initial start at which point you're left with a heavier car to continue moving down the road. With electrical intervention AWD can help in corners, but you're still carrying weight. It's great for a daily driver that sees incredibly bad weather(snow, very large puddles of standing water) on a regular basis, but on a car with very little ground clearance these aren't conditions you're going to want to tackle anyway.
I know the corvette as a proven SIMPLE performance car, I wouldn't have bought it otherwise. I'd prefer it to stay that way. I don't think alot of you guys understand the complexity involved in having a performance minded AWD system, then again very few guys on this forum drive their cars in the rain and would rather have the AWD as another option box to mark when ordering their next vette.
Melting Slicks
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From: Central NJ
Nope, it needs AWD to utilize physics to it's advantage
Just like it needs wide tires, and a good suspension, and a limited slip, etc... See where we're going with this? Don't be so opposed to change, progress is a wonderful thing
Last edited by ohmy; Jun 18, 2012 at 10:08 PM.
Team Owner
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From: Houston, TX
With all the "simpler is better" and "I don't want no more stinking weight" posts, I'm surprised more folks on this thread aren't on the Lotus Elite forum. How do you guys come to grips with power windows, seats, door locks, telescoping steering wheel, all the stereo equipment etc?
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Are you referring to my explanation about how the AWD system on the 997 Turbo S works?