Why was the AWESOME 2013 427 vert not available in a automatic A6?
#42
Drifting
Sadly, you are right. I think the A6 is more popular than the manual. It's not a masculine / insecurity thing. I guess it just befuddles me that people (in large numbers) purchase a world class *sports* car and lose around 50% of the experience driving it. Seems like a total waste. I guess that's why the Z06 / ZR1 are reserved for driving enthusiasts??? Only a couple other vendors limit manuals to certain cars: Viper, Acura RSX Type-S, Honda Civic SI... off the top of my head.
The ZO6 & ZR1 suffer with sales because Chevy limits the options for potential owners. If anyone believes Chevy would not of sold more ZO6 Corvette's need to look no further then the GS.
Chevy often hands good money over to a company like Callaway rather than offer both the ZO6 & the ZR1 with a A6.
I have owned both and like both. I do not begrudge or belittle others for their choice in transmission. In no way can I, or any other person have any idea what another person is missing or gaining when driving a different transmission then I do.
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I'm so confused
One is a Sports car because it has a Manual trans, and one is not because it has an Auto trans
And here I was thinking I was enjoying my Auto trans C6 Corvette
I understand the whole Manual thing and what it adds to the experience.
Every Sports car/Muscle car I've had up until now had a Manual trans.
If I bought a work truck with a Manual trans, does that mean it's a Sports Car ? or maybe a Sports Truck
IMO in today's market place it serves no purpose anymore to restrict such a awesome vehicle like the 427 Vert to Manual only
One is a Sports car because it has a Manual trans, and one is not because it has an Auto trans
And here I was thinking I was enjoying my Auto trans C6 Corvette
I understand the whole Manual thing and what it adds to the experience.
Every Sports car/Muscle car I've had up until now had a Manual trans.
If I bought a work truck with a Manual trans, does that mean it's a Sports Car ? or maybe a Sports Truck
IMO in today's market place it serves no purpose anymore to restrict such a awesome vehicle like the 427 Vert to Manual only
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What is wasteful to you could be a asset to another person.
The ZO6 & ZR1 suffer with sales because Chevy limits the options for potential owners. If anyone believes Chevy would not of sold more ZO6 Corvette's need to look no further then the GS.
Chevy often hands good money over to a company like Callaway rather than offer both the ZO6 & the ZR1 with a A6.
I have owned both and like both. I do not begrudge or belittle others for their choice in transmission. In no way can I, or any other person have any idea what another person is missing or gaining when driving a different transmission then I do.
The ZO6 & ZR1 suffer with sales because Chevy limits the options for potential owners. If anyone believes Chevy would not of sold more ZO6 Corvette's need to look no further then the GS.
Chevy often hands good money over to a company like Callaway rather than offer both the ZO6 & the ZR1 with a A6.
I have owned both and like both. I do not begrudge or belittle others for their choice in transmission. In no way can I, or any other person have any idea what another person is missing or gaining when driving a different transmission then I do.
Never understood why people care so much about which trans I drive that they "die a little". When you buy my car you can chose what trans it has, OK? Till then.........
#45
Melting Slicks
The "too much HP" thing is a lame excuse and...BS. There are many happy Callaway owners running around that will attest to that. I have owned my Callaway SC580 for over 4 yrs now and love it except...hardly a day goes by that I don't wish it were an A6 rather than manual.
Sadly, the 6 spd manual limits where you can drive your car for many of us. Given the demographic fact that most of the US population resides in or near major metro areas,... that usually translates to heavier traffic. Could that be the reason that the majority of vettes sold are auto?? I would drive my vette far more if it were auto...
Sadly, the 6 spd manual limits where you can drive your car for many of us. Given the demographic fact that most of the US population resides in or near major metro areas,... that usually translates to heavier traffic. Could that be the reason that the majority of vettes sold are auto?? I would drive my vette far more if it were auto...
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The "too much HP" thing is a lame excuse and...BS. There are many happy Callaway owners running around that will attest to that. I have owned my Callaway SC580 for over 4 yrs now and love it except...hardly a day goes by that I don't wish it were an A6 rather than manual.
Sadly, the 6 spd manual limits where you can drive your car for many of us. Given the demographic fact that most of the US population resides in or near major metro areas,... that usually translates to heavier traffic. Could that be the reason that the majority of vettes sold are auto?? I would drive my vette far more if it were auto...
Sadly, the 6 spd manual limits where you can drive your car for many of us. Given the demographic fact that most of the US population resides in or near major metro areas,... that usually translates to heavier traffic. Could that be the reason that the majority of vettes sold are auto?? I would drive my vette far more if it were auto...
#47
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The "too much HP" thing is a lame excuse and...BS. There are many happy Callaway owners running around that will attest to that. I have owned my Callaway SC580 for over 4 yrs now and love it except...hardly a day goes by that I don't wish it were an A6 rather than manual.
Sadly, the 6 spd manual limits where you can drive your car for many of us. Given the demographic fact that most of the US population resides in or near major metro areas,... that usually translates to heavier traffic. Could that be the reason that the majority of vettes sold are auto?? I would drive my vette far more if it were auto...
Sadly, the 6 spd manual limits where you can drive your car for many of us. Given the demographic fact that most of the US population resides in or near major metro areas,... that usually translates to heavier traffic. Could that be the reason that the majority of vettes sold are auto?? I would drive my vette far more if it were auto...
#49
Burning Brakes
Sadly you're going to die young. Look up the sales figures of the A6 vs. M6 when offered as a choice. Make sure you do it with a doctor next to you.
Never been quite sure why some guys feel more masculine because they drive a manual or why it bothers some guys what other people choose as a transmission to own. The only possible conclusion is insecurity.
Never been quite sure why some guys feel more masculine because they drive a manual or why it bothers some guys what other people choose as a transmission to own. The only possible conclusion is insecurity.
#50
Racer
Because the Z06 doesn't come in an automatic?
I figured the 427 convertible was just a Z06 with a drop top and shares probably 90% of the same parts with the Z06.
Love my A6. Would love a 6-speed as well to have the best of both worlds.
I figured the 427 convertible was just a Z06 with a drop top and shares probably 90% of the same parts with the Z06.
Love my A6. Would love a 6-speed as well to have the best of both worlds.
#51
Le Mans Master
At this point, the C6 generation is almost over & the focus is on the C7. Why GM did or did not make an auto available in the 427 vert, I guess you'd have to ask them.
#53
I'm so confused
One is a Sports car because it has a Manual trans, and one is not because it has an Auto trans
And here I was thinking I was enjoying my Auto trans C6 Corvette
I understand the whole Manual thing and what it adds to the experience.
Every Sports car/Muscle car I've had up until now had a Manual trans.
If I bought a work truck with a Manual trans, does that mean it's a Sports Car ? or maybe a Sports Truck
IMO in today's market place it serves no purpose anymore to restrict such a awesome vehicle like the 427 Vert to Manual only
One is a Sports car because it has a Manual trans, and one is not because it has an Auto trans
And here I was thinking I was enjoying my Auto trans C6 Corvette
I understand the whole Manual thing and what it adds to the experience.
Every Sports car/Muscle car I've had up until now had a Manual trans.
If I bought a work truck with a Manual trans, does that mean it's a Sports Car ? or maybe a Sports Truck
IMO in today's market place it serves no purpose anymore to restrict such a awesome vehicle like the 427 Vert to Manual only
As a driving enthusiast, why would I want to *restrict* my choice of vettes, or cars for that matter. Driving a manual is a HUGE part of the fun experience of owning a sporty car. Would you pair a $1000 bottle of merlot with pizza hut pasta? Well, yea, you could, but doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose? Do you buy a computer and only play solitaire? Well, my mom does
Part of the problem is the automatic itself. Virtually every sports car has a syncronous auto-manual option now (Evo MR, WRX, Ferraris, Lambos, Audis, hell, even a VW Golf GTI...) . Those can be driven in auto mode, yet allow one to perhaps extract more performance than with a manual. I have driven an F430 Scuderia on a track and will attest that if it was a manual I would have been in serious trouble!
I don't mean to sound like a jerk / call me old fashioned but it is my opinion that pairing a MT to a sports car adds immeasurably to the experience of driving it. I like the fact that GM / Chrysler / Honda / etc. set aside vehicles (or classes of vehicles) that are to be made with only MT's. Sacrificing sales for principle - nothing wrong with that.
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Sadly, you are right. I think the A6 is more popular than the manual. It's not a masculine / insecurity thing. I guess it just befuddles me that people (in large numbers) purchase a world class *sports* car and lose around 50% of the experience driving it. Seems like a total waste. I guess that's why the Z06 / ZR1 are reserved for driving enthusiasts??? Only a couple other vendors limit manuals to certain cars: Viper, Acura RSX Type-S, Honda Civic SI... off the top of my head.
BTW, if GM offered an automatic in the 427 Vert and Z06, it would destroy GS sales. It was easier to slap on a wide body than go through the engineering and re-design of adding the torque converter automatic trans in their upper level performance corvettes designed for the "driving enthusiasts" to track on the weekend and go to work during the week.
#57
Drifting
As a driving enthusiast, why would I want to *restrict* my choice of vettes, or cars for that matter. Driving a manual is a HUGE part of the fun experience of owning a sporty car. Would you pair a $1000 bottle of merlot with pizza hut pasta? Well, yea, you could, but doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose? Do you buy a computer and only play solitaire? Well, my mom does
Part of the problem is the automatic itself. Virtually every sports car has a syncronous auto-manual option now (Evo MR, WRX, Ferraris, Lambos, Audis, hell, even a VW Golf GTI...) . Those can be driven in auto mode, yet allow one to perhaps extract more performance than with a manual. I have driven an F430 Scuderia on a track and will attest that if it was a manual I would have been in serious trouble!
I don't mean to sound like a jerk / call me old fashioned but it is my opinion that pairing a MT to a sports car adds immeasurably to the experience of driving it. I like the fact that GM / Chrysler / Honda / etc. set aside vehicles (or classes of vehicles) that are to be made with only MT's. Sacrificing sales for principle - nothing wrong with that.
Part of the problem is the automatic itself. Virtually every sports car has a syncronous auto-manual option now (Evo MR, WRX, Ferraris, Lambos, Audis, hell, even a VW Golf GTI...) . Those can be driven in auto mode, yet allow one to perhaps extract more performance than with a manual. I have driven an F430 Scuderia on a track and will attest that if it was a manual I would have been in serious trouble!
I don't mean to sound like a jerk / call me old fashioned but it is my opinion that pairing a MT to a sports car adds immeasurably to the experience of driving it. I like the fact that GM / Chrysler / Honda / etc. set aside vehicles (or classes of vehicles) that are to be made with only MT's. Sacrificing sales for principle - nothing wrong with that.
#58
Melting Slicks
That part you said above is interesting..."driving enthusiasts." I would say that is accurate, and along with phrase, you can add "performance enthusiasts." They go hand and hand. Those cars you mentioned that are manual exclusive appear to be upper performance car models, where the driver would be in more control of the available power.
BTW, if GM offered an automatic in the 427 Vert and Z06, it would destroy GS sales. It was easier to slap on a wide body than go through the engineering and re-design of adding the torque converter automatic trans in their upper level performance corvettes designed for the "driving enthusiasts" to track on the weekend and go to work during the week.
BTW, if GM offered an automatic in the 427 Vert and Z06, it would destroy GS sales. It was easier to slap on a wide body than go through the engineering and re-design of adding the torque converter automatic trans in their upper level performance corvettes designed for the "driving enthusiasts" to track on the weekend and go to work during the week.
Cheers,
JB
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#59
Drifting
The "too much HP" thing is a lame excuse and...BS. There are many happy Callaway owners running around that will attest to that. I have owned my Callaway SC580 for over 4 yrs now and love it except...hardly a day goes by that I don't wish it were an A6 rather than manual.
Sadly, the 6 spd manual limits where you can drive your car for many of us. Given the demographic fact that most of the US population resides in or near major metro areas,... that usually translates to heavier traffic. Could that be the reason that the majority of vettes sold are auto?? I would drive my vette far more if it were auto...
Sadly, the 6 spd manual limits where you can drive your car for many of us. Given the demographic fact that most of the US population resides in or near major metro areas,... that usually translates to heavier traffic. Could that be the reason that the majority of vettes sold are auto?? I would drive my vette far more if it were auto...
A company like GM that went BK, and is still having major financial issues is just handing over potential, and much needed profits to a good company like Callaway.
The people at Callaway can do it, and do it well. Yet as described earlier the old time thinking of some on the Corvette team limit the options for potential buyers of more profitable Corvettes.
#60
Drifting
As a driving enthusiast, why would I want to *restrict* my choice of vettes, or cars for that matter. Driving a manual is a HUGE part of the fun experience of owning a sporty car. Would you pair a $1000 bottle of merlot with pizza hut pasta? Well, yea, you could, but doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose? Do you buy a computer and only play solitaire? Well, my mom does
Part of the problem is the automatic itself. Virtually every sports car has a syncronous auto-manual option now (Evo MR, WRX, Ferraris, Lambos, Audis, hell, even a VW Golf GTI...) . Those can be driven in auto mode, yet allow one to perhaps extract more performance than with a manual. I have driven an F430 Scuderia on a track and will attest that if it was a manual I would have been in serious trouble!
I don't mean to sound like a jerk / call me old fashioned but it is my opinion that pairing a MT to a sports car adds immeasurably to the experience of driving it. I like the fact that GM / Chrysler / Honda / etc. set aside vehicles (or classes of vehicles) that are to be made with only MT's. Sacrificing sales for principle - nothing wrong with that.
Part of the problem is the automatic itself. Virtually every sports car has a syncronous auto-manual option now (Evo MR, WRX, Ferraris, Lambos, Audis, hell, even a VW Golf GTI...) . Those can be driven in auto mode, yet allow one to perhaps extract more performance than with a manual. I have driven an F430 Scuderia on a track and will attest that if it was a manual I would have been in serious trouble!
I don't mean to sound like a jerk / call me old fashioned but it is my opinion that pairing a MT to a sports car adds immeasurably to the experience of driving it. I like the fact that GM / Chrysler / Honda / etc. set aside vehicles (or classes of vehicles) that are to be made with only MT's. Sacrificing sales for principle - nothing wrong with that.
Since 75% of Corvette buyers opt for an auto, they don't agree with you that a manual is a huge part of the fun. Yours is the minority opinion yet you state it as if everyone agrees with you. They don't.
You say you don't mean to sound like a jerk, but you do. Actually you sound like a kid, all personal opinion with no respect for other peoples valid opinions.
There is no "prinicple" involved and if you think there is you need to check the definition of principle. As much as you try to raise your OPINION to the level of divine certainty, once again, most people disagree with you.
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