My change of heart on run-flat tires vs. regular tires
#21
Racer
Question, guys; Can someone give an idea the danger in such a blowout at more like 75mph? I don't track. May be boring to most of you, but I really never get over 70mph. I used to fly airplanes and enjoy adrenaline. After a couple of near death experiences I keep myself safe, especially being a dad twice over since as well. I have little intention of buying run flats when the stock tires are gone. I would have said no intention until reading this, but I do listen. I don't drive with run flats on my other cars. Why should I drive with run flats on a corvette I'm not tracking? My chance of a tire explosion from road hazard is near nil. But if it happened, at 70mph max, how uncontrollable?
#22
Safety Car
I am on my 4th set of run flats and will continue with them. They have plenty of performance for my kind of driving and it also gives me piece of mind to know the tire is strong. I was running a tire with a large nail in it for 500+ miles at typical interstate speeds, and that was after I noticed the nail was there. Who knows how long it was really there.
#23
Le Mans Master
Ozer, Great post I agree with you 100%. The only problem being that if someone says the sun is orange there will always be some people come back and say oh no it is a dark yellow.
#24
Sr.Random input generator
Thread Starter
Regarding the claimed performance deficiency of run-flats: I think we should not confuse much-heavier, less optimal first generation run-flats with the modern ones. It should be noted that even the ZR1 that made the record run for a stock car at Laguna Seca driven recently by Randy Pobst for Motortrend was running on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires which are runflat.
The PS2s and MPSC tires that come with ZR1 and Z07/F55 cars are, indeed world class performers. Michelin actually claims to have used the components of the run-flat tire to increase the sidewall stiffness, tread consistency, and the overall performance of run-flat MPSC tires that come with Corvettes.
From Tirerack:
...The Pilot Sport Cup ZP benefits from several generations of Michelin run-flat technology, which is especially efficient in enhancing race-tire performance characteristics. Michelin has turned the technology that enables a tire to run for a limited period without air pressure into an asset on the racetrack...
#26
Team Owner
I am on my 4th set of run flats and will continue with them. They have plenty of performance for my kind of driving and it also gives me piece of mind to know the tire is strong. I was running a tire with a large nail in it for 500+ miles at typical interstate speeds, and that was after I noticed the nail was there. Who knows how long it was really there.
Last edited by LS WON; 12-26-2012 at 04:31 PM.
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On my car when I have had TPMS issues the car will seem to let me go any speed I want in a straight line but as soon as I start to turn the steering wheel it reacts by applying the front brakes to slow the car to 55 mph. That has surprised me and some drivers behind me when I pass them at 120+ exiting a wide increasing radius turn and my car suddenly slows to 55 mph in front of them. Makes things exciting.
Bill
Last edited by Bill Dearborn; 12-26-2012 at 04:46 PM.
#28
Le Mans Master
#30
Burning Brakes
Regardless of the speed at which a RFT (EMT) lets go (which is an interesting data point nonetheless), I would consider keeping the speed down while I limped home/to service with a airless tire.
If I did not have run-flats, I would gladly destroy a wheel than to stop on the shoulder of a busy higway while idiots text, tailgate, drink and do drugs behind the wheel at high speeds, and have taught my family members to do the same.
If I did not have run-flats, I would gladly destroy a wheel than to stop on the shoulder of a busy higway while idiots text, tailgate, drink and do drugs behind the wheel at high speeds, and have taught my family members to do the same.
#31
Le Mans Master
I remember wayyyyyyyyy back in like 1973 running down route 4 in Paramus NJ in a 1964 Ford station wagon with a 289 auto (maybe a Galixie 500) going about 70 mph and blowing out the right front tire, it was all I could do to keep the car on the road and managed to get into Alexanders parking lot, very scary. Why do I mention this, who knows but since then I have had numerous tires let go on the highways of NJ. Done doughnuts on the highways many times and I am lucky that I haven't been hurt or hurt anyone else. So when we have these discussions and we will have them, if someone has a negative comment to make it would be nice to hear of some experience that goes along with the comments. I do not hear much of that what I hear is people quoting **** they read in magazines. Does that sound about right or am I asking too much?
#32
Team Owner
I remember wayyyyyyyyy back in like 1973 running down route 4 in Paramus NJ in a 1964 Ford station wagon with a 289 auto (maybe a Galixie 500) going about 70 mph and blowing out the right front tire, it was all I could do to keep the car on the road and managed to get into Alexanders parking lot, very scary. Why do I mention this, who knows but since then I have had numerous tires let go on the highways of NJ. Done doughnuts on the highways many times and I am lucky that I haven't been hurt or hurt anyone else. So when we have these discussions and we will have them, if someone has a negative comment to make it would be nice to hear of some experience that goes along with the comments. I do not hear much of that what I hear is people quoting **** they read in magazines. Does that sound about right or am I asking too much?
#33
We are taking about a very rare occurrence, regarding a blowout, on conventional tires. Especially on the street with lower tire temps.
Like I have stated before I have never had one in over 48 years of driving and another 35 years behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler.
Scare tactics for the glass half full thinking mentality.
But I will agree that each of us should be comfortable with our tire choice.
Like I have stated before I have never had one in over 48 years of driving and another 35 years behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler.
Scare tactics for the glass half full thinking mentality.
But I will agree that each of us should be comfortable with our tire choice.
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I am on my 4th set of run flats and will continue with them. They have plenty of performance for my kind of driving and it also gives me piece of mind to know the tire is strong. I was running a tire with a large nail in it for 500+ miles at typical interstate speeds, and that was after I noticed the nail was there. Who knows how long it was really there.
#36
Instructor
Question, guys; Can someone give an idea the danger in such a blowout at more like 75mph? I don't track. May be boring to most of you, but I really never get over 70mph. I used to fly airplanes and enjoy adrenaline. After a couple of near death experiences I keep myself safe, especially being a dad twice over since as well. I have little intention of buying run flats when the stock tires are gone. I would have said no intention until reading this, but I do listen. I don't drive with run flats on my other cars. Why should I drive with run flats on a corvette I'm not tracking? My chance of a tire explosion from road hazard is near nil. But if it happened, at 70mph max, how uncontrollable?
#37
Race Director
We are taking about a very rare occurrence, regarding a blowout, on conventional tires. Especially on the street with lower tire temps.
Like I have stated before I have never had one in over 48 years of driving and another 35 years behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler.
Scare tactics for the glass half full thinking mentality.
But I will agree that each of us should be comfortable with our tire choice.
Like I have stated before I have never had one in over 48 years of driving and another 35 years behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler.
Scare tactics for the glass half full thinking mentality.
But I will agree that each of us should be comfortable with our tire choice.
#38
Race Director
I am on my 4th set of run flats and will continue with them. They have plenty of performance for my kind of driving and it also gives me piece of mind to know the tire is strong. I was running a tire with a large nail in it for 500+ miles at typical interstate speeds, and that was after I noticed the nail was there. Who knows how long it was really there.
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Instructor
#40
Racer
In 1981 I had a left front blowout at approx 80 mph in a Mazda RX-7. The tire virtually disintegrated and the car violently jerked to the left. I was in the right lane of the interstate highway prior to the blowout with no car in the left lane...which is where I ended up before I could even think OH S#!+...much less say it. Had that occured on a two-lane highway with oncoming traffic it would have been a hell of a mess. When I replace the tires on my vette, it will be with run flats.