C6 Corvette General Discussion General C6 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Feral Industries

mild 2 wild install issue

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 3, 2013 | 10:04 PM
  #1  
wkidvette's Avatar
wkidvette
Thread Starter
Safety Car
Supporting Lifetime
15 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 4,109
Likes: 55
From: Maryland
Default mild 2 wild install issue

I own a 2012 GS and the selling dealer installed a mild 2 wild switch to control the NPP. When starting the car its in the open position and I would prefer it to be closed so its quiet. I'm running headers, cam, etc. and the car is extremely loud when its in the open position. In consideration of my neighbors, I want the car quiet when it starts. How can the mild 2 wild be reinstalled in order to change this? When I depress the mild 2 wild remotes on button, it goes from open (wild) to close (mild). I assume the dealer installed it so it operates backwards??
Thanks
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2013 | 10:08 PM
  #2  
Vette_DD's Avatar
Vette_DD
Team Owner
Supporting Lifetime
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Top Answer: 3
Top Answer: 5
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 82,175
Likes: 1,319
From: McKinney TX
St. Jude Donor '21-'22-'23-'24
Default

Mine always starts out open. I'm pretty sure GM set it up that way and my MTW controller doesn't change that. Sounds like you dealer installed it correctly.

I don't think you can change that with the MTW controller.

I think your only choice is to do like some here have done to physically alter the valve and only let it open part of the way.

Last edited by Vette_DD; Sep 3, 2013 at 10:10 PM.
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2013 | 10:32 PM
  #3  
Gary '09 C6's Avatar
Gary '09 C6
Race Director
Supporting Lifetime Gold
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,641
Likes: 464
From: Houston TX
Default

The exhaust flaps are always open when the engine shuts down due to no vacuum in the lines to hold them closed.
They close just after start-up (w/o the M2W).
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2013 | 10:32 PM
  #4  
LUVMINE's Avatar
LUVMINE
Le Mans Master
Supporting Lifetime
St. Jude 10 Year Donor
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6,200
Likes: 233
From: "Nowhere Man"
St. Jude Donor '13-'14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-'20-'21-'22
Default

I'm with Jim. Mine is open on startup and then closes in seconds. I believe it's the vacuum pressure that closes the valves.
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2013 | 10:43 PM
  #5  
tealex's Avatar
tealex
Burning Brakes
10 Year Member
Veteran: Army
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 754
Likes: 79
From: Jacobstown, New Jersey
Default

They always start in the open position until the vacuum builds up enough to close them which is only a matter of a few seconds.
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2013 | 11:06 PM
  #6  
Classic-Chevy-Guy's Avatar
Classic-Chevy-Guy
Melting Slicks
Supporting Lifetime
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Liked
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,426
Likes: 285
From: West Barnstable MA
Default

Without the M2W, the exhaust would start in the open position and then close once the vacuum has built up.

With M2W, you need to hit the Remote button in order to close the exhaust, so you need to do this manually. Most likely you dealer setup the M2W in the zero battery drain mode.

There is also a mode which retains the setting when the car is turned off, but there is a battery drain. So, if you had the exhaust closed when you shut it off, it would work like in the first paragraph.

Last edited by Vette_DD; Sep 4, 2013 at 12:04 AM. Reason: Deleted URL of Non-supporting Vendor
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 12:19 AM
  #7  
nykbob's Avatar
nykbob
Advanced
10 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 92
Likes: 1
From: Powser Springs GA
Default

There are two ways to install the Mild to Wild. One is called the "No Drain" and one is the standard one. They both start with the flaps open, but with the standard installation the flaps close just after startup, just like stock NPP exhaust. The No Drain install starts with the flaps open and they remain open until you hit the button on Mild to Wild and return the system to stock and the flaps close again.

The difference is in the wiring.
You can se the standard wiring here: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...oductions.html

Here is the No Drain wiring: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...post1584705521

I initially did the no drain install, but I did not like the noise so I switched to the standard install. Now, after a brief second at startup, it stays quiet until I want it loud. I have not noticed any drain or ill effects on my battery. I imagine it might be an issue of the car sat garaged for weeks on end.
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 02:29 AM
  #8  
Nosferatu's Avatar
Nosferatu
Le Mans Master
10 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Photoriffic
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 7,388
Likes: 137
From: Ahead of You :)
St. Jude Donor '14
Default

as others said there's no "issue" that's how it's designed to be
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 04:58 AM
  #9  
Uncle Meat's Avatar
Uncle Meat
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
Veteran: Air Force
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,619
Likes: 101
From: Prattville Alabama
Default

Can someone explain how the M2W causes battery drain when the car is off?

U.M.
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 06:17 AM
  #10  
Hameister's Avatar
Hameister
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 7,750
Likes: 172
2015 C6 of the Year Finalist
Default

Originally Posted by Uncle Meat
Can someone explain how the M2W causes battery drain when the car is off?

U.M.
Frankly, I don't know why anyone worries about the miniscule trickle current drain caused by the always active controller.

I've gone as much as 10 to 12 days, without using my 'vette, and it still starts instantly when I push that button.

I don't see it as an issue, unless the car is not used for months, and in that case there will be a tender connected to it anyway.
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 06:36 AM
  #11  
Uncle Meat's Avatar
Uncle Meat
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
Veteran: Air Force
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,619
Likes: 101
From: Prattville Alabama
Default

Originally Posted by Hameister
Frankly, I don't know why anyone worries about the miniscule trickle current drain caused by the always active controller.

I've gone as much as 10 to 12 days, without using my 'vette, and it still starts instantly when I push that button.

I don't see it as an issue, unless the car is not used for months, and in that case there will be a tender connected to it anyway.
My M2W has been installed since early 2009 when the car was purchased and has set for up to 30 days without being started. I also have LED's installed throughout the interior and the LED map lights in the rear view mirror burn dimly even when the car is shut off. I just replaced the factory battery a couple weeks ago so it lasted a little more than 4.5 years.

U.M.
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 07:28 AM
  #12  
Walt White Coupe's Avatar
Walt White Coupe
Race Director
20 Year Member
Active Streak: 120 Days
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 10,909
Likes: 2,701
From: Phila Suburbs 2023 C8 & 2013 650ix
Default

Well, contrary to what others have said, when first installed mine I went with the "drain" installation and it killed my battery a couple times. Changed to the "no drain" installation and problem went away. If you install the remote so it's easily accessible, just hit the green button immediately after the engine start button and it's goes to mild just like the "drain" install.

Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 07:53 AM
  #13  
Hameister's Avatar
Hameister
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 7,750
Likes: 172
2015 C6 of the Year Finalist
Default

Originally Posted by Walt White Coupe
Well, contrary to what others have said, when first installed mine I went with the "drain" installation and it killed my battery a couple times. Changed to the "no drain" installation and problem went away. If you install the remote so it's easily accessible, just hit the green button immediately after the engine start button and it's goes to mild just like the "drain" install.
I'm curious, when you say it kills your battery. I've not heard of this happening before.

In what time frame? Two weeks? A month? More?

Also, some specs. on your 'vette...year?...body?

Thanks
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 08:45 AM
  #14  
realcanuk's Avatar
realcanuk
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Photoriffic
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 7,821
Likes: 412
From: Montreal
St. Jude Donor '13
Default

I have my M2W set to close on startup, and have never had a battery issue. My car sits for a week or two sometimes and starts right up. You can set it to start open or closed, although both ways it will be open for a couple of seconds until vacuum builds.
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 08:59 AM
  #15  
ZR1Cat's Avatar
ZR1Cat
Drifting
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,879
Likes: 106
From: Newburgh,IN
Default

I installed my M2W (w/foot switch) about a year ago. It has performed flawlessly and no drain issues even when mine sits for a two to three weeks.
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 09:13 AM
  #16  
Walt White Coupe's Avatar
Walt White Coupe
Race Director
20 Year Member
Active Streak: 120 Days
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 10,909
Likes: 2,701
From: Phila Suburbs 2023 C8 & 2013 650ix
Default

Originally Posted by Hameister
I'm curious, when you say it kills your battery. I've not heard of this happening before.

In what time frame? Two weeks? A month? More?

Also, some specs. on your 'vette...year?...body?

Thanks
Mine is an 09. Around two weeks inactive in the middle of winter.
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 09:23 AM
  #17  
SK360's Avatar
SK360
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,168
Likes: 242
From: Pittsburgh PA
Default

Get the sunset orange creations controller. It remembers if they were open/closed when you shut the car off and starts in the same mode. Easy.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To mild 2 wild install issue

Old Sep 4, 2013 | 09:24 AM
  #18  
tomringo's Avatar
tomringo
Burning Brakes
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,060
Likes: 85
From: Richmond VA Everyone should have a VetteGuard
Default

Originally Posted by Rich Mickol
I'm with Jim. Mine is open on startup and then closes in seconds. I believe it's the vacuum pressure that closes the valves.
The NPP valves are run off vacuum so the intial start has them open then when vacuum is availble they close.

Also the M2W doesn't have the memory that some others do but costs less. Mines open all the time except if interstate crusing with top up for long periods. Otherwise top down, or up with windows down wide open....

Last edited by tomringo; Sep 4, 2013 at 09:30 AM. Reason: add
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 12:38 PM
  #19  
Hameister's Avatar
Hameister
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 7,750
Likes: 172
2015 C6 of the Year Finalist
Default

Originally Posted by Walt White Coupe
Mine is an 09. Around two weeks inactive in the middle of winter.
Hmmm, wish I had an answer. I just called someone I know with an '09, and he's not having any battery problems either, and he installed his M2W following the same instructions I did.

Is it possible there's some other cause for your battery drain, and it's really not the M2W installation?

Are you still using the original OEM battery? Perhaps it's on it's last legs, and 2 weeks for cold winter weather, is enough to kill it. May not be the M2W at all???
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2013 | 03:08 PM
  #20  
Walt White Coupe's Avatar
Walt White Coupe
Race Director
20 Year Member
Active Streak: 120 Days
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 10,909
Likes: 2,701
From: Phila Suburbs 2023 C8 & 2013 650ix
Default

Actually it happened when the car was new so battery is not the issue. Still have the same battery. Nothing changed except the M2W switch and no problems since.
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:43 PM.