Nitrogen
12-12-2013, 03:05 PM
#21
Informations from Edmunds, Consumereports are just opinions written from people no different than the nay sayers here. They meant nothing. Funny thing is: always the same "old dogs that never learned any new tricks"! 
One thing for sure, regardless of free or what not, if they say nitrogen doesn't work in tire to maintained the pressure for longer interval then normal compressed air, then I know for sure, they have never use it. Simple, right!?
One thing for sure, regardless of free or what not, if they say nitrogen doesn't work in tire to maintained the pressure for longer interval then normal compressed air, then I know for sure, they have never use it. Simple, right!?
12-12-2013, 03:51 PM
#23
When you extract the nitrogen, you don't extract the water molecules so it is dry. If you could get compressed air with no water it would be functionally identical. I would guess it is easier to extract nitrogen than to get air that dry. I do have a filter and drier on my compressed air in my garage, but I still see a lb or 2 difference hot to cold in tire pressure.
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12-12-2013, 05:21 PM
#24
When you extract the nitrogen, you don't extract the water molecules so it is dry. If you could get compressed air with no water it would be functionally identical. I would guess it is easier to extract nitrogen than to get air that dry. I do have a filter and drier on my compressed air in my garage, but I still see a lb or 2 difference hot to cold in tire pressure.
My stead fast positive Nitrogen use "opinion" is based on having three cars that are using "Free Costco Nitrogen", comparing with the above mentioned two examples.
With the three using "Free Costco Nitrogen". Two cars are before TPMS requirement and the Vette with TPMS. Typically, air lost is when I check tire pressure -out more of curiosity/concern, since the last filled, long ago - and what little bleeds out from the bleeder button. Rarely have to top out, I felt sometimes, I should just leave that alone.
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In a nut shell, my "opinion" on Nitrogen's ability for longer air pressure retention is not based on scientific or researched write ups. Rather, actual personal use experience, however non scientific but I am happy and glad experiencing positive results!
12-12-2013, 05:30 PM
#25
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My garage is similarly equipped and with my '11 Honda + vintage '90 FZR 1000, using similarly "dried" compressed air, experiencing similar differential results, all too often!
No, Randy, I am not a big consumer so I don't track Consumer's report and missed their controlled test results.
My stead fast positive Nitrogen use "opinion" is based on having three cars that are using "Free Costco Nitrogen", comparing with the above mentioned two examples.
With the three using "Free Costco Nitrogen". Two cars are before TPMS requirement and the Vette with TPMS. Typically, air lost is when I check tire pressure -out more of curiosity/concern, since the last filled, long ago - and what little bleeds out from the bleeder button. Rarely have to top out, I felt sometimes, I should just leave that alone.
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In a nut shell, my "opinion" on Nitrogen's ability for longer air pressure retention is not based on scientific or researched write ups. Rather, actual personal use experience, however non scientific but I am happy and glad experiencing positive results!
No, Randy, I am not a big consumer so I don't track Consumer's report and missed their controlled test results.
My stead fast positive Nitrogen use "opinion" is based on having three cars that are using "Free Costco Nitrogen", comparing with the above mentioned two examples.
With the three using "Free Costco Nitrogen". Two cars are before TPMS requirement and the Vette with TPMS. Typically, air lost is when I check tire pressure -out more of curiosity/concern, since the last filled, long ago - and what little bleeds out from the bleeder button. Rarely have to top out, I felt sometimes, I should just leave that alone.
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In a nut shell, my "opinion" on Nitrogen's ability for longer air pressure retention is not based on scientific or researched write ups. Rather, actual personal use experience, however non scientific but I am happy and glad experiencing positive results!
12-12-2013, 06:56 PM
#26
Melting Slicks
Gentlemen, Gentlemen, Gentlemen.....If it is convenient, free who the heck cares if it isn't 100% dry? Point is..... those who think it is snake oil....don't use it..... and don't hassle people who do.....It causes no harm....so where is the harm?.....now on to some other exciting stuff....remember that oponions are like...........well never mind
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12-13-2013, 01:11 AM
#31
My vettes have been garage queens and before I started using nitrogen, I had to top off tire pressure multiple times per year. Two vettes ago, I started using nitrogen. To date, I haven't added air to my GS tires since filling them with nitrogen 16 - 18 months ago.
I'm not telling you what I heard, I'm telling you what I know from personal experience!
my2cents
I'm not telling you what I heard, I'm telling you what I know from personal experience!
my2cents
12-13-2013, 01:59 PM
#32
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Is that your company?
If that is, then we have something in common! Toolmaker typically are meticulous and precise to a tee, do you agree?
Especially after 39 years as a Nuclear Toolmaker, factual dealings ingrained me to be skeptical with what I read, hear or claims. Repeated results from my four cars and one motorcycle satisfied me as proof.
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Tell me - Have you ever tried Nitrogen?
Hmmm....You don't have to response - I already know the answer, right?!
Location Type Single Location
State of Incorporation South Carolina
Annual Revenue Estimate $500,000 to $1 million
SIC Code 399903, Manufacturers
NAICS Code 339999, All Other Misc Manufacturing
Employees 5 to 9
2 **
Company contact
Tony Damian, Owner
Anthony Domian, Owner
Debbie Medeiros-Domia, Owner
Debbie Domian, Information Technology
Anthony Domian, Owner
Business Categories
Tool and Die Makers in Fort Mill, SC
Mfg Dies/Tools/Jigs/Fixtures
All Other Miscellaneous Manufacturing
Is that your company?
If that is, then we have something in common! Toolmaker typically are meticulous and precise to a tee, do you agree?
Especially after 39 years as a Nuclear Toolmaker, factual dealings ingrained me to be skeptical with what I read, hear or claims. Repeated results from my four cars and one motorcycle satisfied me as proof.
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Tell me - Have you ever tried Nitrogen?
Hmmm....You don't have to response - I already know the answer, right?!
12-13-2013, 04:28 PM
#33
Once again, opinions are like belly buttons - everybody's got one. This question was raised to Doug Fehan (Chevrolet Corvette Racing Team manager) last August at the Road America races. Doug stated the key to maintaining proper tire pressure for their racing team was to keep moisture out of the tires to the greatest extent possible. The racing team apparently uses some form of super dry air for their tires. Nitrogen is a good option for those who want to stabilize the air pressure as much as possible in their road cars. If it isn't a big priority for you, use conventional air. If you're seeking 10/10ths performance (or as close to it as possible) then Nitrogen may be the way to go.
Of course, this is just Doug's opinion. But based on his track record, I'd say it is worth listening to...
Glen
Of course, this is just Doug's opinion. But based on his track record, I'd say it is worth listening to...
Glen
12-13-2013, 04:56 PM
#34
Wil Cooksey #256
I use nitrogen in all 4 of my vehicles and will never switch back to air. My time is worth something and when that is factored in nitrogen is cheaper than air. I'll gladly pay the one time fee to fill the tires with nitrogen, never a fee to add extra. I like the convienence of not having to bother with a compressor.
Also the performance of nitrogen during HPDE's is excellent.
Also the performance of nitrogen during HPDE's is excellent.
12-13-2013, 05:34 PM
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I bought my 2012 Camaro SS locally, so I get free nitrogen. My C6 has old fashioned air. It has been a pain in the tookus to have to go to the dealer to top off the Pirelli shoes on the SS at least 6 times a year. I don't add air to the vette that often. My next car will not be purchased locally and it will likely be a C7, so it will be filled with air by me at home when needed. I must be getting faulty nitrogen if some of you can go 16 months or more without adding nitrogen.
12-13-2013, 05:56 PM
#36
Team Owner
12-13-2013, 08:59 PM
#37
Race Director
Business Information
Location Type Single Location
State of Incorporation South Carolina
Annual Revenue Estimate $500,000 to $1 million
SIC Code 399903, Manufacturers
NAICS Code 339999, All Other Misc Manufacturing
Employees 5 to 9
2 **
Company contact
Tony Damian, Owner
Anthony Domian, Owner
Debbie Medeiros-Domia, Owner
Debbie Domian, Information Technology
Anthony Domian, Owner
Business Categories
Tool and Die Makers in Fort Mill, SC
Mfg Dies/Tools/Jigs/Fixtures
All Other Miscellaneous Manufacturing
Is that your company?
If that is, then we have something in common! Toolmaker typically are meticulous and precise to a tee, do you agree?
Especially after 39 years as a Nuclear Toolmaker, factual dealings ingrained me to be skeptical with what I read, hear or claims. Repeated results from my four cars and one motorcycle satisfied me as proof.
---
Tell me - Have you ever tried Nitrogen?
Hmmm....You don't have to response - I already know the answer, right?!
Location Type Single Location
State of Incorporation South Carolina
Annual Revenue Estimate $500,000 to $1 million
SIC Code 399903, Manufacturers
NAICS Code 339999, All Other Misc Manufacturing
Employees 5 to 9
2 **
Company contact
Tony Damian, Owner
Anthony Domian, Owner
Debbie Medeiros-Domia, Owner
Debbie Domian, Information Technology
Anthony Domian, Owner
Business Categories
Tool and Die Makers in Fort Mill, SC
Mfg Dies/Tools/Jigs/Fixtures
All Other Miscellaneous Manufacturing
Is that your company?
If that is, then we have something in common! Toolmaker typically are meticulous and precise to a tee, do you agree?
Especially after 39 years as a Nuclear Toolmaker, factual dealings ingrained me to be skeptical with what I read, hear or claims. Repeated results from my four cars and one motorcycle satisfied me as proof.
---
Tell me - Have you ever tried Nitrogen?
Hmmm....You don't have to response - I already know the answer, right?!
I use the nitrogen in regular air. I check my air about every two weeks and adjust it to the average daily temp so 100% nitrogen would be a waste for me even if it wasn't a waste.
happy trails..
12-14-2013, 02:07 PM
#39
Not my company....I work for another company, we make tapered roller bearings for more than a hundred years. I do have machinist/grinders working for me. Tooling and Gauging is my main gig.
I use the nitrogen in regular air. I check my air about every two weeks and adjust it to the average daily temp so 100% nitrogen would be a waste for me even if it wasn't a waste.
happy trails..
I use the nitrogen in regular air. I check my air about every two weeks and adjust it to the average daily temp so 100% nitrogen would be a waste for me even if it wasn't a waste.
happy trails..
In my past life, suffice to say, I have worked with practically all known metals under the sun in one form or the others, with the last six years, instead of working with my hands, I was selected and put in charged of a program, all the while - maintaining the proud local motto of "KEEPING SHIPS FIT TO FIGHT". If I was to just do one thing, like in production, I would not have lasted 39 years!
Back to the subject, maybe its the moderate climate, I just go with the DIC on the C6 and the other two cars with Nitrogen, I don't even bother checking tire psi. Depends on where I parked, the only time I check is when noticing a tire looks a little "flat" and when check, verified most time than not, an optical illusion.
And, by the way, thank you all for your tax dollars, without which, I would not have received the stringent training over the years, which empower the precision required in keeping up with my Motorsports hobby in my second childhood!
12-14-2013, 02:51 PM
#40
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I googled "Hawk" and that company came up, gave you the benefit of the doubt.
In my past life, suffice to say, I have worked with practically all known metals under the sun in one form or the others, with the last six years, instead of working with my hands, I was selected and put in charged of a program, all the while - maintaining the proud local motto of "KEEPING SHIPS FIT TO FIGHT". If I was to just do one thing, like in production, I would not have lasted 39 years!
Back to the subject, maybe its the moderate climate, I just go with the DIC on the C6 and the other two cars with Nitrogen, I don't even bother checking tire psi. Depends on where I parked, the only time I check is when noticing a tire looks a little "flat" and when check, verified most time than not, an optical illusion.
And, by the way, thank you all for your tax dollars, without which, I would not have received the stringent training over the years, which empower the precision required in keeping up with my Motorsports hobby in my second childhood!
In my past life, suffice to say, I have worked with practically all known metals under the sun in one form or the others, with the last six years, instead of working with my hands, I was selected and put in charged of a program, all the while - maintaining the proud local motto of "KEEPING SHIPS FIT TO FIGHT". If I was to just do one thing, like in production, I would not have lasted 39 years!
Back to the subject, maybe its the moderate climate, I just go with the DIC on the C6 and the other two cars with Nitrogen, I don't even bother checking tire psi. Depends on where I parked, the only time I check is when noticing a tire looks a little "flat" and when check, verified most time than not, an optical illusion.
And, by the way, thank you all for your tax dollars, without which, I would not have received the stringent training over the years, which empower the precision required in keeping up with my Motorsports hobby in my second childhood!
On my Vette the lefts read 3 psi higher than the rights on the DIC and I use a very accurate gage. It reads that difference no matter what I do. Hopefully re-setting them will help.