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Old Feb 19, 2014 | 11:10 PM
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This is probably addressed elsewhere, but I couldn't find an answer to this specific question. How much can I expect to pay for a complete purchase and install of a ZR1 style aftermarket supercharger on my 2013 Grand Sport? I have done no other mods to my car. It is completely stock. Is there anything else that is a must do, if I add the supercharger? Finally what brand is best and who should I have install it? Thanks ahead of time for all input. By the way it is an A6 and I live in the San Jose California area.
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This is probably addressed elsewhere, but I couldn't find an answer to this specific question. How much can I expect to pay for a complete purchase and install of a ZR1 style aftermarket supercharger on my 2013 Grand Sport? I have done no other mods to my car. It is completely stock. Is there anything else that is a must do, if I add the supercharger? Finally what brand is best and who should I have install it? Thanks ahead of time for all input. By the way it is an A6 and I live in the San Jose California area.
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If you want to keep it under your stock hood Mike the Magnuson heartbeat is my choice..or the Edelbrock E force
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Thanks switchblade six.
Any idea on how much the purchase and install will run? I do want to keep it under the stock hood so this info is important. Thank you.
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I have an e-force on my 08 vert (mn6) and it's been a few years since my install but I would guess the SC, install, tune, could get you upwards to $9000. I also had a Dewitt's radiator put in mine.

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There was a discussion about this topic recently actually:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...=void+warranty

There are three major suppliers that I can think of offhand: Lingenfelter, Hennessy and Callaway. Each have their pros and cons, each different prices, and each different (though similar) package offerings. I personally went with the Lingenfelter 670BHP/565LBS-FT Torque package (along with a ton of other goodies) because I like the Lingenfelter name and trust their work. Callaway and the others are also extremely good. In the end it boils down to budget, performance desires, and personal preference.

Lingenfelter runs that package I just mentioned for $13.8k and it includes upgraded engine internals, the supercharger, dyno and tuning at that price (all under stock hood). You can see everything that comes with it by clicking the "2010 Chevrolet Corvette" under my name to the left- I have everything that comes with the package listed under "Engine/Drivetrain Mods". The only ones in that list it DOESN'T come with are the exhaust, harmonic balancer, and oil/radiator cooler. No matter who you go with, I recommend asking for an upgraded harmonic balancer from ATI at least. They're known to be a bit problematic, and the upgraded horses may aggravate the issue.

For a simple answer though: Edelbrock E-Force TVS2300 or Magnuson Heartbeat superchargers will fit under the stock hood.

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Originally Posted by Mikengrace
This is probably addressed elsewhere, but I couldn't find an answer to this specific question. How much can I expect to pay for a complete purchase and install of a ZR1 style aftermarket supercharger on my 2013 Grand Sport? I have done no other mods to my car. It is completely stock. Is there anything else that is a must do, if I add the supercharger? Finally what brand is best and who should I have install it? Thanks ahead of time for all input. By the way it is an A6 and I live in the San Jose California area.
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System Benefits:

Magnuson supercharger system with its Roots-type design provides substantial power increase (165 bhp, LS3), while internals manufactured by Eaton, the world's leading OEM supercharger supplier, ensure bulletproof reliability. Our testing confirms that this is the only supercharger system capable of 100,000 mile durability. Magnuson's unique intercooler design, built into the intake manifold base (patent pending), lowers charge air temperature up to 100F to increase power. During low-load cruising conditions, the supercharger's internal bypass allows the rotors to spin freely, reducing parasitic drag to less than one-third of one horsepower.

Magnuson's electronic engine management calibration provides perfect street manners, eliminating engine-damaging detonation and maintaining excellent fuel economy and emission compliance. Magnuson has earned Executive Order exemptions (E.O. D488-6 and D-488-12) from the California Air Resources Board for 2005 to 2010 model years. *Requires custom hood to clear top mount Supercharger.

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just a blower on a stock setup is not going to "wow" you that much...you have to make sure the engine can breathe out all the extra air so opening up headers at least is a minimum.

Blower IMO has a lot of parasitic losses and will eat your fuel economy driving a pulley. Go turbo, it's a better setup.

Plus, the prices some of these shops are quoting is crazy high (Ligenfeltter, Callaway, etc.)

If you're hellbent on a blower look at the Novi 1500 setup from ECS. I don't feel like you get a lot from the Edelbrock kit.
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I have an E-Force s/c on Red, my '07 A6 vert. I deliberately gave up available HP by keeping the stock exhaust. A set of headers would have made the tuning job a lot easier for Chuck Mosello (Chuck/CoW, my installer), but I wanted to keep the stock look and sound. It registered "only" 435 rwhp on a dyno at last fall's Funfest in Effingham, gets up to 37 mpg on the highway, and is an absolute hoot to drive.
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Originally Posted by Mikengrace
This is probably addressed elsewhere, but I couldn't find an answer to this specific question. How much can I expect to pay for a complete purchase and install of a ZR1 style aftermarket supercharger on my 2013 Grand Sport? I have done no other mods to my car. It is completely stock. Is there anything else that is a must do, if I add the supercharger? Finally what brand is best and who should I have install it? Thanks ahead of time for all input. By the way it is an A6 and I live in the San Jose California area.
Mike C.
Since you live in California and have a 2013 with an A6.

You might want to look at the Edelbrock E-force for these reasons:

1. - It's C.A.R.B. legal ... a big deal when you live in CA.

2. - They offer an optional drivetrain warranty if you keep the rest of your car stock ... piece of mine since your car is a 2013.

3. - it's a "ZR1 style" roots type supercharger (that you said you want).

4. - It's a nice set-up for a "street car" (if you plan on drag or tracking the car ... it might not be the best choice)

If you go with the Edelbrock E-force kit .... IMO - go with the 599HP kit (pay the extra money over the 554HP kit).

Also, check out the "C6 Forced Induction/Nitrous" area of the forum (if you haven't already)

Since you live in CA ... It will likely run you about $10K installed (599HP kit) ... However, I'm not sure what the cost of the warranty is

I have the 599 kit (in my 2005 automatic) ... and love it
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Call Josh Dotson, A&A performance.

805-278-4107

Located at 477 A Lambert St, Oxnard,Cal. Not to terribly far from you. Josh installed my Vortex SC package when he lived here in Texas. I know of serveral others he did. Mine has been on 4 years with NO NO NO problems. They install the complete pkg for around 7200.
For a daily driver I would recommend this pkg highly
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Originally Posted by v8rx7com
Since you live in California and have a 2013 with an A6.

You might want to look at the Edelbrock E-force for these reasons:

1. - It's C.A.R.B. legal ... a big deal when you live in CA.

2. - They offer an optional drivetrain warranty if you keep the rest of your car stock ... piece of mine since your car is a 2013.

3. - it's a "ZR1 style" roots type supercharger (that you said you want).

4. - It's a nice set-up for a "street car" (if you plan on drag or tracking the car ... it might not be the best choice)

If you go with the Edelbrock E-force kit .... IMO - go with the 599HP kit (pay the extra money over the 554HP kit).

Also, check out the "C6 Forced Induction/Nitrous" area of the forum (if you haven't already)

Since you live in CA ... It will likely run you about $10K installed (599HP kit) ... However, I'm not sure what the cost of the warranty is

I have the 599 kit (in my 2005 automatic) ... and love it
Thanks for your response. This is the info I was looking for. I appreciate your concern for my California car. ie: CARB laws and warranty info. I think I'm going to go this way. Do you have any ideas about who a good installer in the San Jose area might be?
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Thank you to everyone for your quick and informative responses. I am impressed with the detail and time that was taken to answer my questions. There is more to think about then I new of. Of course that is always the case. All my questions were answered and I appreciate the concern that I make the right decision. Thanks again.
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Originally Posted by RedC6
Call Josh Dotson, A&A performance.

805-278-4107

Located at 477 A Lambert St, Oxnard,Cal. Not to terribly far from you. Josh installed my Vortex SC package when he lived here in Texas. I know of serveral others he did. Mine has been on 4 years with NO NO NO problems. They install the complete pkg for around 7200.
For a daily driver I would recommend this pkg highly
Thanks Redc6.
I was in Oxnard just yesterday, so I could easily go there if I decided on this package. The price you quoted is very reasonable as well. Did you do any other mods in addition to this? If so, what and why? If not, are you happy with the result?
Thanks Mike C.
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Thanks Redc6.
I was in Oxnard just yesterday, so I could easily go there if I decided on this package. The price you quoted is very reasonable as well. Did you do any other mods in addition to this? If so, what and why? If not, are you happy with the result?
Thanks Mike C.
The other changes I have made are all cosmetic. Just used the bolt on SC pkg. Runs like a charm and does not affect gas mileage what so ever, unless you have a real heavy foot. LOL. Josh is very good and knowledgeable and I would not and have not hesitated to recommend him. The package they quote includes injectors, fuel pump booster, housing Etc. The complete pkg. We did use a 165 Thermostat instead of the 195 stock. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by RedC6
The other changes I have made are all cosmetic. Just used the bolt on SC pkg. Runs like a charm and does not affect gas mileage what so ever, unless you have a real heavy foot. LOL. Josh is very good and knowledgeable and I would not and have not hesitated to recommend him. The package they quote includes injectors, fuel pump booster, housing Etc. The complete pkg. We did use a 165 Thermostat instead of the 195 stock. Good luck.
Thank you again I will look him up. It sounds as if you did just what I want to do. Mike C.
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Originally Posted by Nosferatu
just a blower on a stock setup is not going to "wow" you that much...you have to make sure the engine can breathe out all the extra air so opening up headers at least is a minimum.

Blower IMO has a lot of parasitic losses and will eat your fuel economy driving a pulley. Go turbo, it's a better setup.

Plus, the prices some of these shops are quoting is crazy high (Ligenfeltter, Callaway, etc.)

If you're hellbent on a blower look at the Novi 1500 setup from ECS. I don't feel like you get a lot from the Edelbrock kit.
Not true on the headers at all. Crossover and axle-back would be sufficient. With full headers you get a BHP trade; in the sense that by trading your exhaust for headers you gain higher exhaust efficiency but lower the supercharger efficiency. Just like getting a bigger engine and porting the heads on the same blower won't necessarily see higher gains.

Also not true on a blower. You sacrifice a small amount of horsepower from the overall gain you'd get because you're utilizing engine power to create the positive displacement needed, but you gain power across the entire band and have no loss in gas economy at highway speeds since the increased efficiency of the blower at those speeds in combustion (though you will negatively impact gas economy in a city driving environment), versus a turbo which utilizes exhaust pressure in order to spool up the impeller. Turbos have two distinct disadvantages in that they have both a "lag" between getting on the gas and when you actually feel the power kick in (due to the higher RPM necessary to make the impeller function), and they increase heat fed into the engine since they rely on exhaust gasses in order to function. The extra heat, when properly managed, can increase combustion efficiency though by warming the mixture prior to the ignition sequence, but you're still boosting engine temperatures significantly compared to a similarly rated supercharger.

Finally, the shops prices aren't crazy high- I don't think you're actually looking at the package versus the numbers. It's the cost of the blower kit, the cost of the upgraded cams and other engine parts, the tune, the dyno, the labor AND a warranty on the engine for the work. All in all, considering the price of the individual parts plus labor (I personally wouldn't install a blower myself, I don't know enough and with anything that forces induction I want a professional to handle it), it's definitely a bargain.

As far as CA goes- no headers are street legal period. CA sucks *** when it comes to emissions (I lived there for 23 years). Putting in a supercharger, a crossover pipe and a catback exhaust will net you the gains you want without putting you over the emissions line though. A traditional exhaust has more filter material in the cat than the "fast cats" that are on headers.

Anyways, looks like your questions were answered- just wanted to chip in on that header thing

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Originally Posted by Nosferatu
just a blower on a stock setup is not going to "wow" you that much...you have to make sure the engine can breathe out all the extra air so opening up headers at least is a minimum.

Blower IMO has a lot of parasitic losses and will eat your fuel economy driving a pulley. Go turbo, it's a better setup.

Plus, the prices some of these shops are quoting is crazy high (Ligenfeltter, Callaway, etc.)

If you're hellbent on a blower look at the Novi 1500 setup from ECS. I don't feel like you get a lot from the Edelbrock kit.
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Not true on the headers at all. Crossover and axle-back would be sufficient. With full headers you get a BHP trade; in the sense that by trading your exhaust for headers you gain higher exhaust efficiency but lower the supercharger efficiency. Just like getting a bigger engine and porting the heads on the same blower won't necessarily see higher gains.

Also not true on a blower. You sacrifice a small amount of horsepower from the overall gain you'd get because you're utilizing engine power to create the positive displacement needed, but you gain power across the entire band and have no loss in gas economy at highway speeds since the increased efficiency of the blower at those speeds in combustion (though you will negatively impact gas economy in a city driving environment), versus a turbo which utilizes exhaust pressure in order to spool up the impeller. Turbos have two distinct disadvantages in that they have both a "lag" between getting on the gas and when you actually feel the power kick in (due to the higher RPM necessary to make the impeller function), and they increase heat fed into the engine since they rely on exhaust gasses in order to function. The extra heat, when properly managed, can increase combustion efficiency though by warming the mixture prior to the ignition sequence, but you're still boosting engine temperatures significantly compared to a similarly rated supercharger.

Finally, the shops prices aren't crazy high- I don't think you're actually looking at the package versus the numbers. It's the cost of the blower kit, the cost of the upgraded cams and other engine parts, the tune, the dyno, the labor AND a warranty on the engine for the work. All in all, considering the price of the individual parts plus labor (I personally wouldn't install a blower myself, I don't know enough and with anything that forces induction I want a professional to handle it), it's definitely a bargain.

As for as CA goes- no headers are street legal period. CA sucks *** when it comes to emissions (I lived there for 23 years). Putting in a supercharger, a crossover pipe and a catback exhaust will net you the gains you want without putting you over the emissions line though. A traditional exhaust has more filter material in the cat than the "fast cats" that are on headers.

Anyways, looks like your questions were answered- just wanted to chip in on that header thing
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