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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BWF07
I cannot say how long that should have taken, but again, if you did not get a written estimate, or get the labor rate and how long they estimated the work would take, sounds like you just need to pay the bill.
As for the front splitter you are looking at an hour to install it. Rear spoiler maybe 1-2 hours and the side skirts a gain 1-2 hours. That does not include painting of course. Not sure what the man hours are to remove the front clip. But again I would never drop my car off and have nothing in writing as to what the cost will be.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 05:05 PM
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I just can't imagine getting work done without knowing how much it will cost beforehand, but that's just me.
The estimate in most cases, is usually on the high side just in case they run into a snag. If it's really bad, then they should call the owner before they go ahead with the repairs, etc.

Good Luck with this
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 05:06 PM
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You agreed on an hourly rate which is fine but you should of discussed an estimate on how hours it would take for all the work to be done and an approximate total cost. I think you are responsible for the total bill , only suggestion is to talk to the owner of the shop when he returns from vacation. Explain to him you were shocked by the total amount of the bill and didn't expect it to cost as much as it did. Ask him if he could come down in price and work with you on the bill. If he finds out you contacted a lawyer I'm sure he won't be willing to work with you on the bill and will want his full price. A lawyer can only represent you in small claims court but for all that work the shop did on your car its not far off. In the end you will have to pay the full bill and the lawyer fees on top of it. Talk to the owner of the shop in a respectful way , it might go a long way.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 05:09 PM
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Cows out of the barn at this point...work has been done and a shop is waiting to be paid. The fact you were presented with a bill and than balked at paying, he can slap you with a mechanics lien and you now run the risk of loosing your car and could be presented with his attorney fees:

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/...1/60-1101.html 60-1101: Liens of contractors; priority. Any person furnishing labor, equipment, material, or supplies used or consumed for the improvement of real property, under a contract with the owner or with the trustee, agent or spouse of the owner, shall have a lien upon the property for the labor, equipment, material or supplies furnished at the site of the property subject to the lien, and for the cost of transporting the same. The lien shall be preferred to all other liens or encumbrances which are subsequent to the commencement of the furnishing of such labor, equipment, material or supplies by such claimant at the site of the property subject to the lien. When two or more such contracts are entered into applicable to the same improvement, the liens of all claimants shall be similarly preferred to the date of the earliest unsatisfied lien of any of them. If an earlier unsatisfied lien is paid in full or otherwise discharged, the commencement date for all claimants shall be the date of the next earliest unsatisfied lien.

History: L. 1963, ch. 303, 60-1101; L. 1965, ch. 355, § 5; L. 1972, ch. 223, § 1; L. 1977, ch. 203, § 1; L. 1978, ch. 230, § 1; L. 1982, ch. 248, § 1; L. 2005, ch. 95, § 1; July 1.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by REPZ06
You agreed on an hourly rate which is fine but you should of discussed an estimate on how hours it would take for all the work to be done and an approximate total cost. I think you are responsible for the total bill , only suggestion is to talk to the owner of the shop when he returns from vacation. Explain to him you were shocked by the total amount of the bill and didn't expect it to cost as much as it did. Ask him if he could come down in price and work with you on the bill. If he finds out you contacted a lawyer I'm sure he won't be willing to work with you on the bill and will want his full price. A lawyer can only represent you in small claims court but for all that work the shop did on your car its not far off. In the end you will have to pay the full bill and the lawyer fees on top of it. Talk to the owner of the shop in a respectful way , it might go a long way.
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Just talk to the guy and be nice. Maybe he'll adjust the bill some. If not, pay up and lesson learned. Education can be expensive, I figure most of us can attest to that!
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by COMMANDER2OOO
ok I appreciate all of your input but I think I will go talk to a lawyer an see what he says if he says what most of u are sayin that I should have gotten an estimate up front an its on me then I will just pay it we shall see
Whether you got an estimate or not isn't what matters. All that matters is whether you authorized the work they did and whether they actually did the work they've billed you for. If the answer to those two questions is 'yes' you don't need a lawyer, you just need to pay the bill. It's pretty simple really.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 05:56 PM
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Oh, c'mon, OP. YOu haven't got one person saying, "You got screwed!"

I understand you are upset: almost $7K is a lot of money. And you probably "thought" maybe a couple thousand to put it all together based on a labor rate of X dollars per hour and add a little paint.

Well, it didn't happen that way. And you didn't ask: not before the work started, not during either. So, you got a surprise.

But let's face it: you didn't ask, you just "assumed." You didn't write a contract. You don't have an estimate. What exactly are you going to ask an attorney----"Did I do something wrong?"

I can assure you the answer is already written above. Sorry to say it, but move on, and consider it a lesson learned. "We" learn it every day. Seriously.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 05:59 PM
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Do you really need a lawyer to tell you that you should have gotten an estimate?? Really??
You had a lot of work done and it's no cheap.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 06:07 PM
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This sounds like an episode of Fantom Works
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wayback
Rework should be on his dime.
his mistake, his dime.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 06:30 PM
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Wow, getting a lawyer. That is what's wrong with America now, too many dang lawyers making decisions for everybody. Where in the world is common sense. You agreed on things in a certain way, he delivered th goods, and now you want to change the game plan. Common sense would say how many hours at what rate and how much paint at how much per gallon.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NY3quartrs5-oh
Something doesn't seem right here. While I agree with everyone else that you should have known before hand so this wouldn't happen, THE SHOP WOULD ALSO LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE ESTIMATE IN $$ SO THEY KNOW IF THEY WILL GET PAID. WITH THAT BEING SAID, HE GAVE YOU THE CAR BACK THEN WENT AWAY NOT KNOWING IF HE'S GETTING PAID?? What are you not telling us?
Agreed, no business is going to let you take the car without paying first. No payment, no car... something is missing here!!
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by COMMANDER2OOO
ok I appreciate all of your input but I think I will go talk to a lawyer an see what he says if he says what most of u are sayin that I should have gotten an estimate up front an its on me then I will just pay it we shall see
Might wanna get an estimate from the lawyer on what this little "consultation" is going to cost while you're at it.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 09:06 PM
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Hey, I'd like to see some before & after pictures.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by COMMANDER2OOO
hey guys had a lil work done on my car front splitter, side skirts, rear spoiler, window rails, all mounted an painted had the front clip removed to remove the headlights to get sent off to be custom an a few other miscellaneous things done to get the vette back to like new an I was outraged when I got my bill $6,689 of which over $5000 was labor does that sound right an what should I do about it ? the owner gave me my bill an left for vacation for 10 days I haven't paid yet an have plenty time to think about it
Shops tend to charge about $300 - $500 per piece to paint and install. You got totally ripped off.

One of the local shops here that does some of the best work charged me $350 to paint and install each bumper on my BMW and $250 to install a carbon fiber lip (silicon fit it on).
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 11:05 PM
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Id discuss the charges to fix his own mistakes and then pay the bill. The bill didn't overly surprise me. I would've also asked for an estimate or at least a rough idea.

Be sure to post some pictures
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by COMMANDER2OOO
hey guys had a lil work done on my car front splitter, side skirts, rear spoiler, window rails, all mounted an painted had the front clip removed to remove the headlights to get sent off to be custom an a few other miscellaneous things done to get the vette back to like new an I was outraged when I got my bill $6,689 of which over $5000 was labor does that sound right an what should I do about it ? the owner gave me my bill an left for vacation for 10 days I haven't paid yet an have plenty time to think about it
I've been retired for 6 years, but before that I was the owner of an auto repair business with 3 locations here in Calif for 37 years. I'm not familiar with the auto repair laws in your state (Kansas), but here in Calif the repair shop MUST give you a written estimate of the cost of the work to be done, signed by you, BEFORE any work is done!! It doesn't matter whether you asked for the estimate or not. The estimate cannot be exceeded without your signed permission. Just telling you the hourly labor rate is not sufficient. The controlling agency here in Calif is the Dept of Consumer Affairs / Bureau of Auto Repair. Check with your state's controlling agency to find out your rights, before paying this bill. The amount you were charged for the work you say was done seems excessive to me.

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You didn't agree on a price for the work beforehand?


Now pay the shop
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by J Vette
Do you really need a lawyer to tell you that you should have gotten an estimate?? Really??
Have you learned enough to get an estimate from a lawyer before you turn him loose????
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 05:24 AM
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Man up and pay the bill ,
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