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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 09:48 AM
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Talked to a guy today that has a shop for corvettes only. He said i needed to take it to a dealer if it turns out to be the fuel pump. He estimated 1000 bucks labor and I need to replace both pumps for another 1000 bucks. If it does not have a fuel pressure problem he would look for a ground problem on the engine. He has seen engines that were replaced missing grounds straps. Could cause long starts. I have a feeling it's the check valve on the pump. This is just the way my cobra started.
I'm not to sure about having to change both pumps. The pump in the right tank (passenger side) I believe is driven off pressure from the left electric pump. It's not a conventional electric pump, only used to transfer fuel to the left tank.

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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 11:18 AM
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Okay I'm outside the box now but why can't I run a inline check valve before the injectors to hold pressure for start up ? Seen it on C5 vets before with big pumps and cams.
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 11:46 AM
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I think if you hold the button for acc. mode a few extra seconds, the ignition would be hot, supplying current to the pump.
Yes, the oem pump has a 2 second prime time. Holding the ignition button down (without starting it) for a few seconds before starting it up might help. The loss of fuel pressure can be a bad fuel pump check valve or a fuel injector leaking.

I had a bad fuel pump check valve and could actually hear the fuel drip back into the fuel tank at shut down. Attaching a fuel pressure gauge to the schrader valve at the end of the fuel rail will allow you to trouble shoot both symptoms above. Once fuel pressure gauge is attached, you should have around 58 psi. at idle. Turn engine off and record your fuel pressure readings every 15 minutes. If the pressure drops immediately to 0 psi. mostly likely you have a bad check valve in the fuel pump. If not, record your fuel pressure reading every 15 minutes and see how much drop in pressure you have. Do a search on the normal drop in psi. If a leaking fuel injector is suspect, do a search on testing injector leak down. Basically, you lift the injectors off the intake manifold still attached to the fuel rail. Put paper towels under the injectors and prime the injectors. DO NOT TRY TO START THE CAR! Let sit, record fuel pressure readings and look for an injector leaking fuel onto the paper towel. That's where I would start.

BTW: As mentioned above, the passenger side fuel pump feeds the driver's side fuel tank. The driver's side fuel pump feeds the engine.

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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 12:08 PM
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Okay I'm outside the box now but why can't I run a inline check valve before the injectors to hold pressure for start up ? Seen it on C5 vets before with big pumps and cams.
Because, as Mike says, you really need to prove there is a leak and then isolate the leak.
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 12:33 PM
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not sure I understand how to hold the button down without starting the engine. Don't press the brake ? The bottom of the start button for acc.
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 01:20 PM
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Because, as Mike says, you really need to prove there is a leak and then isolate the leak.
or spend $1000 and not solve the problem.
The motor was replaced so the tank would the last place to look for a problem.

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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 01:28 PM
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I'm doing a leak down test tomorrow. Still want to know how to prime the pump
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chipofsc
not sure I understand how to hold the button down without starting the engine. Don't press the brake ? The bottom of the start button for acc.
Your NOT holding it in START mode, only in ACCESSORY mode for about five seconds, or longer, then the ignition will come on.
Yes, the bottom of the button.

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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 04:06 PM
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Leak down test went from 60 psi to 20 in less than one minute.
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 04:18 PM
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Looks like you need to take Mike's LS3 advise here, but in my opinion I would be leaning towards the check valve.
I think if any injector was leaking that quickly, the next time you try to start the engine it could lock up with all that gas in a cylinder.
I would still recommend checking the injectors though.
That would be the easier fix, for sure.
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 05:04 PM
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Is this a job to do on the garage floor. I've had the IRS and transmission out of the cobra but haven't had the vet long enought to even know how to jack it up yet. Dealer wants 1200 labor and 600 for the pump.
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 05:27 PM
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Here's a how to link.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...fuel-pump.html
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 05:30 PM
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WADR, if you want to figure out whether you specifically can do the work on the fuel tank, pump, etc., do an advanced search, limit to C6 Tech, add key words fuel pump, etc. You will come up w. at least two threads with pics and full details, one of which will be by Motorhead-47. There ya go.
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 06:08 PM
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I have an automatic car so I don't know how hard it will be until I get into it. This is a good write up and it looks doable. 1200 bucks I think I will give it a try.
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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by chipofsc
Leak down test went from 60 psi to 20 in less than one minute.
Sounds like a bad check valve, but I would still do the fuel injector leak down test just to eliminate them.

Also, shut the engine off in the garage and try to listen for fuel returning back to the tank. It would probably be easier to hear, if the fuel tank was at around 1/4 tank. This would further confirm a bad check valve.

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Old Dec 11, 2015 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by chipofsc
not sure I understand how to hold the button down without starting the engine. Don't press the brake ? The bottom of the start button for acc.
I have a manual and I just press the start button, at the top, without engaging the clutch. The car will not start (neutral safety switch) unless I push down on the clutch pedal. By not engaging the clutch, I allow the fuel pump to bring up fuel pressure at the fuel rail.

I do not have an auto, maybe someone can confirm. I assume you must press down the brake pedal to start? If so, do not press down on the brake pedal, but press the top of the start button for a few seconds. Then try to start the car normally. If the car starts up fine, then a bad check valve is suspect. Still do the leak down test. Sometimes we chase multiple issues and this will at least eliminate one.

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Old Dec 12, 2015 | 04:04 PM
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Mine won't do anything when you push the start button. Screen said press brake. I left the pressure gauge on the rail and nothing turned the pump on. Feeling sure it's the check valve.
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Old Dec 12, 2015 | 05:50 PM
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So I'm reading about people having to replace fuel pumps ever few years. If I'm buying one which brand should I buy. Dealer wants 550.00 and I see them on the net for 300. Don't want to do this twice.
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I would only buy the oem Delphi pump, but I would check Amazon for it...
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And....get a quote from CULTRAG as well.

Good luck with this major PITA.

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