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Most dealers go by NADA guides or auction results figures.
If they are looking at a trade-in or buying for resale, they take low book and subtract another 20% for detailing and time on used sales lot until another buyer comes around. If the car sets on the lot for a couple of months, the value drops so that is why they want to get the trade-in at the lowest possible figure. In terms of 'hard money' the dealer is never going to put into your car what you think its worth,,,,as a rule. Exceptions apply at times......
KBB is useless on any car most of the time. NADA & Edmunds seem to be more accurate, but none of them are good for these cars.
I've had exactly the opposite experience over the past 10 years or so of buying and selling! NADA and Edmunds seemed really low. Must vary with geography...
I bought a 2008 over book value. Go look at some of the ones going for KBB and you will realize why. I'd rather pay top dollar for something that I know is worth it.
I agree with you totally, the days of trying to find a quick deal / Steal are over I buy the car that I want so I don't have to keep pouring money into it.
BB numbers aren't meant to be taken as the word of God...they are more of a ballpark.
When I traded in my 2010 3LT Base convertible in January, I got almost $3,500 over BB value for it. Of course, it was pristine with only 7,800 miles on it, but still...don't let that determine value.
That's the same reason why dealers will start out with "well BB value isn't always accurate" when you tell them you know your cars value. It's a ballpark...nothing more, nothing less.