What would you do?
Safety Car
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^^^I guess you better pucker up... because I've already stated I tried this and "yes" there is a difference that any driver with even mediocre driving skills can feel when driving the car near it's limits. Some combinations worked a lot better then other combinations.
If you are using the car to get groceries or go golfing it's probably not a big deal and you'll never notice.
If you are married to the idea of running mismatched tires try it, and if you don't like it buy the other two.
Bottomline... So what are your driving intentions?
If you are using the car to get groceries or go golfing it's probably not a big deal and you'll never notice.
If you are married to the idea of running mismatched tires try it, and if you don't like it buy the other two.
Bottomline... So what are your driving intentions?
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Safety Car
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Inquiring minds want to know....
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So 99% (your PFA number) claim the Goodyear run flats (craps? jeez) wore out quick, were noisy, and just handled poorly. The same 99% said they put on mishomash (name your brand) replacing their 10 (pick a number) year old tires, had a pfadt alignment, and immediately noticed the difference.
Well, no ****. They replaced old hard tires, did a 4 way alignment, had correct air pressure (for once) and noticed a difference. Wow.
I have no idea where you are but I would be happy to have you drive my car, without knowing what the tires are, and not tell me the brand but if the fronts match the rears, and if they are Goodyears.
Next?
Well, no ****. They replaced old hard tires, did a 4 way alignment, had correct air pressure (for once) and noticed a difference. Wow.
I have no idea where you are but I would be happy to have you drive my car, without knowing what the tires are, and not tell me the brand but if the fronts match the rears, and if they are Goodyears.
Next?
Burning Brakes
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From: Johns Creek, Georgia
I am having new tires installed today... Bridgestones.... I had 6 year old Goodyear Eagles non-runflats that had plenty of tread left after 30k miles. I picked up a nail and it was right at the start of the sidewall. The shop wouldn't repair it.
I don't drive the car real hard, I just don't like having mismatched tires so I'm getting all four. A question I have is, what do you consider "hard driving" and where do you do this? I understand driving on a track is where you can really
push a car to its limits but where I live anything over 100mph is considered reckless driving and they can take you right to jail, you don't pass go and you lose a lot of money.
I don't drive the car real hard, I just don't like having mismatched tires so I'm getting all four. A question I have is, what do you consider "hard driving" and where do you do this? I understand driving on a track is where you can really
push a car to its limits but where I live anything over 100mph is considered reckless driving and they can take you right to jail, you don't pass go and you lose a lot of money.
Drifting
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From: Florida
It's very simple.
Maintaining the correct size, tire pressure and having 4 matched tires are the correct way. No If and or buts!
Having 2 pairs of different tires that don't match per axle is not recommended. It has nothing to do with advanced technology! It seems that some people think they know more than the tire manufacturers do about their own products!
For those running different tires per axle, it's your car!
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Not recommended by whom?
Yes, they certainly do.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Johns Creek, Georgia
You're wasting your time! This has turned into a real pissing contest!
It's very simple.
Maintaining the correct size, tire pressure and having 4 matched tires are the correct way. No If and or buts!
Having 2 pairs of different tires that don't match per axle is not recommended. It has nothing to do with advanced technology! It seems that some people think they know more than the tire manufacturers do about their own products!
For those running different tires per axle, it's your car!
It's very simple.
Maintaining the correct size, tire pressure and having 4 matched tires are the correct way. No If and or buts!
Having 2 pairs of different tires that don't match per axle is not recommended. It has nothing to do with advanced technology! It seems that some people think they know more than the tire manufacturers do about their own products!
For those running different tires per axle, it's your car!
Drifting
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From: Atlanta - - - - - Save the manuals
I tried to give a technical explanation and this thread just kept going:Bottom line:
-- CAN you mix tires. Yes, of course, by size, brand, or any criteria.
-- SHOULD you mix tires OH HELL NO! (unless you know and understand what you are doing with access to test facilities )
Last edited by Dutch08; Aug 8, 2020 at 03:03 PM.
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I tried to give a technical explanation and this thread just kept going:Bottom line:
-- CAN you mix tires. Yes, of course, by size, brand, or any criteria.
-- SHOULD you mix tires OH HELL NO! (unless you know and understand what you are doing with access to test facilities )
In 160K miles, I've run the OEM GY RF, Nitto Invo, Bridgestone, Michelin (both RF and non-RF), Sumitomo, Hoosier, MT, and M&H. Some of those at speeds up to 180 mph, but all of them to at least 120. Up until recently, the everyday tires have been replaced as a set. However, I destroyed the front pair of Michelin RF's and the alignment due to some extremely rough roads that most people wouldn't take their beater pickup on. Yeah, I'm that crazy. Since I preferred the Invo non-RF especially in rain, I just bought a pair for the front (rears were out of stock at the time) and told the alignment shop to be dead on, because I'm going to test their work at 150 mph (which I did). I usually wear out the backs (go figure) first, so I decided to use up some of the Michelin rears to let the Nitto fronts get a head start on new Nitto rears. While I haven't hit anything much over 100 (other than the 150) with the Nitto fronts and Mich RF rears, I didn't notice any significant difference in handling or ride or sound. Key word red and underlined.
YMMVThanks to this thread, I've been reminded it's time to buy the Invos for the back.
Now back to our regularly programmed rant.
Drifting
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Well I certainly don't want to disappoint you by having this thread stop now, so here's my little input.
In 160K miles, I've run the OEM GY RF, Nitto Invo, Bridgestone, Michelin (both RF and non-RF), Sumitomo, Hoosier, MT, and M&H. Some of those at speeds up to 180 mph, but all of them to at least 120. Up until recently, the everyday tires have been replaced as a set. However, I destroyed the front pair of Michelin RF's and the alignment due to some extremely rough roads that most people wouldn't take their beater pickup on. Yeah, I'm that crazy. Since I preferred the Invo non-RF especially in rain, I just bought a pair for the front (rears were out of stock at the time) and told the alignment shop to be dead on, because I'm going to test their work at 150 mph (which I did). I usually wear out the backs (go figure) first, so I decided to use up some of the Michelin rears to let the Nitto fronts get a head start on new Nitto rears. While I haven't hit anything much over 100 (other than the 150) with the Nitto fronts and Mich RF rears, I didn't notice any significant difference in handling or ride or sound. Key word red and underlined. YMMV
Thanks to this thread, I've been reminded it's time to buy the Invos for the back.
Now back to our regularly programmed rant.
In 160K miles, I've run the OEM GY RF, Nitto Invo, Bridgestone, Michelin (both RF and non-RF), Sumitomo, Hoosier, MT, and M&H. Some of those at speeds up to 180 mph, but all of them to at least 120. Up until recently, the everyday tires have been replaced as a set. However, I destroyed the front pair of Michelin RF's and the alignment due to some extremely rough roads that most people wouldn't take their beater pickup on. Yeah, I'm that crazy. Since I preferred the Invo non-RF especially in rain, I just bought a pair for the front (rears were out of stock at the time) and told the alignment shop to be dead on, because I'm going to test their work at 150 mph (which I did). I usually wear out the backs (go figure) first, so I decided to use up some of the Michelin rears to let the Nitto fronts get a head start on new Nitto rears. While I haven't hit anything much over 100 (other than the 150) with the Nitto fronts and Mich RF rears, I didn't notice any significant difference in handling or ride or sound. Key word red and underlined.
YMMVThanks to this thread, I've been reminded it's time to buy the Invos for the back.
Now back to our regularly programmed rant.
Burning Brakes
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From: Michiana
My dilemma.....have Pilot super sport ZP. I need to replace the fronts which are NLA. I need a temporary replacement till next year when the new all season 4’s become available in my size. Don’t really want to buy 4 tires at this time the rears are great.
Advice?
Advice?
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Yeah, I'm wondering what form of challenged one is called if they have different brands on the front and the rear and it doesn't matter at all and they're financially well off?
Would that be something to the effect of "disagreeing with me challenged?"
Or was it just a humble brag put down poorly masked as a non-technical rationale?
I'm still waiting for a sound technical discussion of why it matters if one is not tracking their car? Not even sure it matters then, unless one is at the level of needing a sponsor.
Would that be something to the effect of "disagreeing with me challenged?"
Or was it just a humble brag put down poorly masked as a non-technical rationale?
I'm still waiting for a sound technical discussion of why it matters if one is not tracking their car? Not even sure it matters then, unless one is at the level of needing a sponsor.
In my road experience, which is not as much as some as some, but more than most, I would not mix tire types or tread patterns on the same axle unless needed on a road trip just to get you to somewhere to get a permanent repair (pair of same type on the same axle).
I've run many tens of thousands of miles on the road with front and back not "matching." It has never been an issue, ever!
RFs on one axle and non RFS on another is fine, A/S on one axel and Summer only on the other is fine as well. But, again I would not mix any of them on an axle except to get me where I needed to get to and then match the same tires on the same axle. I think you all are getting where I'm going with this.
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Kidding. If search around more for a set of what you have, or just buy all 4 new tires of something.
They may be out "next year" now, but right now a lot of goods are hard to find and development of new products has slowed to a crawl. It could be 3 years before they actually are available if **** keeps going bad with the virus. IMO, a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush for you,.
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In my road experience, which is not as much as some as some, but more than most, I would not mix tire types or tread patterns on the same axle unless needed on a road trip just to get you to somewhere to get a permanent repair (pair of same type on the same axle).
I've run many tens of thousands of miles on the road with front and back not "matching." It has never been an issue, ever!
RFs on one axle and non RFS on another is fine, A/S on one axel and Summer only on the other is fine as well. But, again I would not mix any of them on an axle except to get me where I needed to get to and then match the same tires on the same axle. I think you all are getting where I'm going with this.
In my road experience, which is not as much as some as some, but more than most, I would not mix tire types or tread patterns on the same axle unless needed on a road trip just to get you to somewhere to get a permanent repair (pair of same type on the same axle).
I've run many tens of thousands of miles on the road with front and back not "matching." It has never been an issue, ever!
RFs on one axle and non RFS on another is fine, A/S on one axel and Summer only on the other is fine as well. But, again I would not mix any of them on an axle except to get me where I needed to get to and then match the same tires on the same axle. I think you all are getting where I'm going with this.
Plenty of cars out there with 4 different tires, of different ages, different brands, etc out there that can go from a to b in a calm and slow fashion. It's when you need to make that emerge cybswerve it starts to matter.
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You can get where you're going on just about anything. If you bought a vette to feel cool and maybe impress someone while you drive it like a Buick, put whatever round you can find on it, and don't worry about brand, age, or model. If you actually drive the car a bit hard, that's when it matters.
Plenty of cars out there with 4 different tires, of different ages, different brands, etc out there that can go from a to b in a calm and slow fashion. It's when you need to make that emerge cybswerve it starts to matter.
Plenty of cars out there with 4 different tires, of different ages, different brands, etc out there that can go from a to b in a calm and slow fashion. It's when you need to make that emerge cybswerve it starts to matter.
You put a lot of words in my mouth, which I did not say.
Burning Brakes
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From: Michiana
Park for a year.
Kidding. If search around more for a set of what you have, or just buy all 4 new tires of something.
They may be out "next year" now, but right now a lot of goods are hard to find and development of new products has slowed to a crawl. It could be 3 years before they actually are available if **** keeps going bad with the virus. IMO, a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush for you,.
Kidding. If search around more for a set of what you have, or just buy all 4 new tires of something.
They may be out "next year" now, but right now a lot of goods are hard to find and development of new products has slowed to a crawl. It could be 3 years before they actually are available if **** keeps going bad with the virus. IMO, a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush for you,.
I hear what you’re saying. What gives me hesitation is that the PSS ZP is gone, AS3+ is on close out. Marketing would just continue the current lineups if AS4 was being delayed. It’s a DD Yet I do “Park It” for the winter, so I‘m leaning toward 2 cheap *** Road King type to finish out 4 months. Actually, AS3+ (ZPs) But that means mixing treads. Am I GTG with that?
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I hear what you’re saying. What gives me hesitation is that the PSS ZP is gone, AS3+ is on close out. Marketing would just continue the current lineups if AS4 was being delayed. It’s a DD Yet I do “Park It” for the winter, so I‘m leaning toward 2 cheap *** Road King type to finish out 4 months. Actually, AS3+ (ZPs) But that means mixing treads. Am I GTG with that?
That said manufacturing for a lot of companies is in a weird place right now. A lot of them have been closed or at very reduced capacity for months. Nobody knows how things will be 3 months from now, let alone a year.
If it was me, I'd just score a full set of closeout as3s at a good price and be good for a few years. It sounds like the AS3 and AS4 are both more tire than you'll really take adva Tage of anyways if you're just using it was a warm weather daily.
