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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 07:25 PM
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Now to things more controversial. I think

1) Both Convertible and Coupe will arrive simultaneously.
2) The 6.0 and 6+ liter, DOD, GenIV engines will both be offered the first year.
3) There will be a 6-speed auto. and six-speed manual trans. offered.
4) The rear hatch of the Coupe will be polycarbonate (Exatec)
5) The engines will be dual internal cam, 3V per cylinder engines
6) The powdered metal connecting rods and possibly (low-cost beta Ti-alloy)
valve springs and retainers will be titanium on some of the GenIV small blocks.
7) There will expanded use of magnesium and a little bit of carbon fiber.
8) The Std. tires will be (F)P245/40ZR18, (R)P285/35ZR19 Eagle F1 EMTs
9) The Perf tires will be (F)P275/35ZR18, (R)P325/30ZR19 "HP" Runflats
10) 105.7" wheelbase
11) Hydroformed aluminum frame
12) 42 Volt system but no electrical valve actuation
13) Magnetorheological-fluid filled shocks will be standard on all C6's.
14) The interior will be improved (stereo also, I hope)
15) The style will have a fair amount in common with the Cadillac Cien.
16) At some point, ceramic brake rotors will be offered.
17) Money saved on fixed headlights will be used to pay for other goodies.
18) Titanium exhaust will be standard on all C6's.
19) Lots more power and much less weight than C5.
20) Drag coeffient of 0.28 and little net lift at high speed.
21) Base price of Coupe about $45K
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 09:38 PM
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I hope that those things ... besides DOD ... all happen ...
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 11:09 PM
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Well it's certanly mindless :jester Most of that sounds pretty good to me though :cheers:
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 11:28 PM
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I would prefer to say, "While there is no evidence to support your conclusions, it is my sincere hope that they prove to be true." :yesnod:
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 09:56 AM
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Mindless, no more like downright interesting. Can you say cheddar cheese, apple pie and Chevrolet? Oh lets also add Z06 like Coupe. :chevy
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 10:24 AM
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I like all of these things. I wonder what they will call the perf.model. They might bring back another exciting name from the past.
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 11:36 AM
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I hope Displacement On Demand tops that list when C6 is unveiled.

Displacement On Demand means better fuel efficiency which means more power ends up under the hood than GM would otherwise put there.

I don't care if it's a Rotax single when I'm cruising or coasting or idling. It will be a V8 when it matters.

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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 03:51 PM
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I would prefer to say, "While there is no evidence to support your conclusions, it is my sincere hope that they prove to be true." :yesnod:
:rolleyes: This lill guy... :jester means you are joking, I said I liked them.
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I'm with Jinx on the DOD. Just becaust the Caddy 4-6-8 failed miserably almost two decades ago doesn't mean that it's an invalid concept. It'll allow larger displacement, and more power without blowing the fuel economy clear out of GM management's "acceptable" range. More power, no gas guzzler tax. What more can you ask for. And the people who've gotten to try it in the trucks can't even tell it's there. From one account I read, they hooked up a light to indicate when it was active, and when it wasn't. They had a passenger watch the light, and the driver tried to tell when it was on and when it was off. The driver was completely unable to tell. So I hope it makes it onto the vette.

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I could be wrong but I thought ceramic rotors were a NO-NO on street cars because they need to reach high temps to become effective? Or am I thinking of carbon fiber? :confused:
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 11:50 PM
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I could be wrong but I thought ceramic rotors were a NO-NO on street cars because they need to reach high temps to become effective? Or am I thinking of carbon fiber? :confused:
You're thinking fiber :cheers:
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 08:06 AM
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The 42V system isn't happening.
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 01:21 PM
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I like your mindless speculations (they seem well thought out though, not mindless). If #15 and #21 are true, then the coupe, conv, and ME will arrive simultaneously at the dealership . :)


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I enjoyed the list, but I can't believe we'll see an aluminum frame or 42 volt electrics. Neither change is very simple. The 42 volt electrics are a heck of a lot more difficult to set up than just sticking in a higher voltage battery and alternator. There was a good article about this in a recent Road & Track or Car and Driver, I can't recall which.

As for the frame, it's gonna stay hydroformed steel. Switching to aluminum would require a complete re-engineer of the frame dimensions and by all accounts the C6 is still going to use most of the C5 architecture.
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 05:43 PM
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I enjoyed the list, but I can't believe we'll see an aluminum frame or 42 volt electrics. Neither change is very simple. The 42 volt electrics are a heck of a lot more difficult to set up than just sticking in a higher voltage battery and alternator. There was a good article about this in a recent Road & Track or Car and Driver, I can't recall which.
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As for the frame, it's gonna stay hydroformed steel. Switching to aluminum would require a complete re-engineer of the frame dimensions and by all accounts the C6 is still going to use most of the C5 architecture.
Didn't they allready say the XLR and C6 had the same chassis just the XLR was steel and the Vette was aluminum :confused:
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Didn't they allready say the XLR and C6 had the same chassis just the XLR was steel and the Vette was aluminum :confused:
I have heard that the XLR and C6 will share a chassis, but not that the C6's would be aluminum. Briefly, since aluminum's strength and mass/volume is different than steel's, you can't just switch one for the other. For example, if they went to aluminum, the frame rails would have to be thicker than they are for steel, resulting in the locations of mounting points being off. Additionally, the shapes of the frame would likely be changed somewhat, to take advantage of aluminum's different characteristics. Finally, I can't see how GM could spend all the money to switch to aluminum for the C6, yet leave the XLR in steel. It doesn't make economic sense. I am confident the C6 will still have steel as the material for the frame.

I could be wrong, though!
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I have heard that the XLR and C6 will share a chassis, but not that the C6's would be aluminum.
According to the Ferrari guys, the C5's chassis is aluminium. :lol: That's news to me!

The XLR and C6 will have/share a primarily steel chassis.
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The XLR and C6 will have/share a primarily steel chassis.
What makes you so sure? I would think there is still hope for a largely aluminum chassis until we can take a peek under the xlr.
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The XLR and C6 will have/share a primarily steel chassis.

What makes you so sure? I would think there is still hope for a largely aluminum chassis until we can take a peek under the xlr.
Just wait and see...

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What makes you so sure? I would think there is still hope for a largely aluminum chassis until we can take a peek under the xlr.
Because if the General was switching to aluminum, this would constitute a complete re-design. GM has already pretty much admitted the C6 is primarily a restyle, with a focus on interior "richness." (A good idea, in my book.) There may be a new engine in there, or at least some more horsepower, but it appears clear the running gear is gonna carry over.
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