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Old Jun 10, 2022 | 10:32 PM
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Wondering if anyone else has experienced this - the video below is worth a thousand words.

If I apply the brake pedal normally like the first 3 cycles in the vid, the lights work as normal. They go from dim>bright>dim.

If I pump the brakes somewhat fast, they go dim>bright>off>dim. Why are they turning off if I pump fast?

I have the moromoto headlights, fogs, sides, and tails now. I just now noticed this when backing in, who knows how long it's been doing it. Not trying to attract any unwanted attention...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB7p...ature=youtu.be
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Old Jun 11, 2022 | 12:07 AM
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Very strange, I wish I could assist with this issue but have never had this yet. I too have all Morimoto lights but haven’t experienced this.

pleas keep us up to date on what you find out.
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Old Jun 11, 2022 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by UwU
Wondering if anyone else has experienced this - the video below is worth a thousand words.

If I apply the brake pedal normally like the first 3 cycles in the vid, the lights work as normal. They go from dim>bright>dim.

If I pump the brakes somewhat fast, they go dim>bright>off>dim. Why are they turning off if I pump fast?

I have the moromoto headlights, fogs, sides, and tails now. I just now noticed this when backing in, who knows how long it's been doing it. Not trying to attract any unwanted attention...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB7p...ature=youtu.be
Not sure if you purchased from Cole at Vette Lights.
Either way, he is a good guy and will help if he can.
Recommend you reach out to him.
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Old Jun 11, 2022 | 09:52 AM
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I just watched my Morimoto tails for an hour this week while my mechanic was bleeding my brakes ... lots of pumping ... never saw that behavior ... they went on and off as expected each time.
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Old Jun 11, 2022 | 07:13 PM
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Yeah all works fine until I turn on my lights and the dim features turned on. Tried messing with it today and couldn't find anything.
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 10:47 AM
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Spoke with Cole this morning - turns out it's just something I will have to deal with since it's due to the internal circuitry of the brake lights. Nothing against Cole, great guy just don't think there's a fix for this readily available. Anyone else with these tails able to go out and pump their brakes quickly with their headlights on to see if they can replicate this? Might start unplugging fogs/sidemarkers and seeing if it persists if nobody else can replicate.
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Old Jun 20, 2022 | 08:48 AM
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It's the same symptom as mine. I found this symptom today. I think I have this symptom in a different way. If you press the brake pedal hard, there is no problem. If you step on it lightly, you'll get symptoms.

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Originally Posted by UwU
Spoke with Cole this morning - turns out it's just something I will have to deal with since it's due to the internal circuitry of the brake lights. Nothing against Cole, great guy just don't think there's a fix for this readily available. Anyone else with these tails able to go out and pump their brakes quickly with their headlights on to see if they can replicate this? Might start unplugging fogs/sidemarkers and seeing if it persists if nobody else can replicate.
something you have to deal with? They are your brake lights. They are turning off when you’re applying brakes, extremely dangerous.

I was going to put these on too but 100000% won’t if it compromises people seeing my brake lights

You’re in the car, so who knows if they are turning off in other scenarios as well. You just happened to stumble on this so there could be other times it happens
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something you have to deal with? They are your brake lights. They are turning off when you’re applying brakes, extremely dangerous.

I was going to put these on too but 100000% won’t if it compromises people seeing my brake lights

You’re in the car, so who knows if they are turning off in other scenarios as well. You just happened to stumble on this so there could be other times it happens
Yeah you have a valid point here. If a cop see's it, it just gives them a reason to pull you over and cite you, or in other cases it could cause you to fail inspection.

@VetteLights Cole, opinions on this? Options here?
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Originally Posted by star0409
It's the same symptom as mine. I found this symptom today. I think I have this symptom in a different way. If you press the brake pedal hard, there is no problem. If you step on it lightly, you'll get symptoms.

https://youtu.be/esktA6FkFVA
Do you have any other Morimoto lights or do you just have the tail lights?
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Do you have any other Morimoto lights or do you just have the tail lights?
There is no other Morimoto tail lamp. However, I have another tail lamp.
I think the brake light switch is probably the problem.
I'm going to do various tests today. I'll let you know the result.
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Originally Posted by UwU
Yeah you have a valid point here. If a cop see's it, it just gives them a reason to pull you over and cite you, or in other cases it could cause you to fail inspection.

@VetteLights Cole, opinions on this? Options here?
What causes the light to turn off when the brakes are quickly tapped for less than a second is that the unit is expecting that quick pulse to be a turn signal pulse so it turns off afterwards in anticipation of the turn signal engaging opposed to a brake light (the turn signals cycle on/off/on/off opposed to on/dim/on/dim).
This is normal functionality for the second generation Morimoto tails (with optional sequential mode). While I have mentioned the scenario to Morimoto previously, it did not result in any modifications to programming. This is not something that causes concern to me with them on my car personally as it's not something that I have ever experienced in normal driving conditions (but can certainly replicate it when intentionally trying to make it occur). If Morimoto gets enough inquiries about it, they may decide to make a revision going forward but personally, I prefer the on/off/on/off cycle to the on/dim/on/dim - it's more attention grabbing in my opinion.
If it's something that's still within the return window, we can absolutely get you swapped out with a different brand if preferred but a different set of Morimotos will operate the same way.
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Old Jun 20, 2022 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by star0409
There is no other Morimoto tail lamp. However, I have another tail lamp.
I think the brake light switch is probably the problem.
I'm going to do various tests today. I'll let you know the result.
I mean do you have the morimoto headlights/fogs/side markers too by chance? Or just the tail lights?

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What causes the light to turn off when the brakes are quickly tapped for less than a second is that the unit is expecting that quick pulse to be a turn signal pulse so it turns off afterwards in anticipation of the turn signal engaging opposed to a brake light (the turn signals cycle on/off/on/off opposed to on/dim/on/dim).
This is normal functionality for the second generation Morimoto tails (with optional sequential mode). While I have mentioned the scenario to Morimoto previously, it did not result in any modifications to programming. This is not something that causes concern to me with them on my car personally as it's not something that I have ever experienced in normal driving conditions (but can certainly replicate it when intentionally trying to make it occur). If Morimoto gets enough inquiries about it, they may decide to make a revision going forward but personally, I prefer the on/off/on/off cycle to the on/dim/on/dim - it's more attention grabbing in my opinion.
If it's something that's still within the return window, we can absolutely get you swapped out with a different brand if preferred but a different set of Morimotos will operate the same way.
Thanks Cole I appreciate the response. While I agree the effects under normal driving conditions are minimal, the fact of the matter remains that they do turn completely off while the headlights are on if you press the brake too quickly. This seems like a very major design flaw. I am sort of curious to know how many people would be OK with their entire back end of their car going pitch black at night, even for a split second if they apply the brake too quick/fast? Unfortunately I am outside the return window as I purchased these earlier this year.
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Originally Posted by UwU
Spoke with Cole this morning - turns out it's just something I will have to deal with since it's due to the internal circuitry of the brake lights. Nothing against Cole, great guy just don't think there's a fix for this readily available. Anyone else with these tails able to go out and pump their brakes quickly with their headlights on to see if they can replicate this? Might start unplugging fogs/sidemarkers and seeing if it persists if nobody else can replicate.
Can confirm mine do this too. Not sure what to do now. I’ve never had it occur though, you have to really try. In normal driving you would never stab the brake pedal like this.

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Can confirm mine do this too. Not sure what to do now. I’ve never had it occur though, you have to really try. In normal driving you would never stab the brake pedal like this.
I see what you're saying, you do sort of have to make it do it, but now it's always going to be in my mind when night driving. I shouldn't have to think about my brake lights going out on me even if it is for a split second. Thanks for confirming that you experience it too.
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I don't own a set of these but they are the ones I was planning to eventually buy.

Since Cole asked, my input is now that I know how these work, I won't buy them unless the programming is changed to prevent this from happening. Brake lights are too important to not work all the time. What would be the best way to contact morimoto for this kind of feedback?
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Originally Posted by She_Thicc
I don't own a set of these but they are the ones I was planning to eventually buy.

Since Cole asked, my input is now that I know how these work, I won't buy them unless the programming is changed to prevent this from happening. Brake lights are too important to not work all the time. What would be the best way to contact morimoto for this kind of feedback?

Absolutely - send over input if you'd like to see a different functionality on them at morimotohid@morimotohid.com. If there is an overwhelming demand for different operation, I'm confident that we could help push to make it happen and can also shoot over feedback to the head of R&D once there are some inquiries to reference.
As a side note, the brake lights do work. There is not a period in which the brake lights do not work. There is a split second period where the lights try to engage a turn signal sequence if the brakes are tapped for a fraction of a second (similarly to turning on a blinker and having it cycle on/off) but they are not something that I would personally consider a safety concern on my car by any means. If I personally considered it a safety concern, we would not offer it on our site until a revision was made. Granted this is just my preference, but I do prefer them as-is with the bright/off/bright/off turn signal cycle opposed to the bright/dim/bright/dim cycle.
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Absolutely - send over input if you'd like to see a different functionality on them at morimotohid@morimotohid.com. If there is an overwhelming demand for different operation, I'm confident that we could help push to make it happen and can also shoot over feedback to the head of R&D once there are some inquiries to reference.
As a side note, the brake lights do work. There is not a period in which the brake lights do not work. There is a split second period where the lights try to engage a turn signal sequence if the brakes are tapped for a fraction of a second (similarly to turning on a blinker and having it cycle on/off) but they are not something that I would personally consider a safety concern on my car by any means. If I personally considered it a safety concern, we would not offer it on our site until a revision was made. Granted this is just my preference, but I do prefer them as-is with the bright/off/bright/off turn signal cycle opposed to the bright/dim/bright/dim cycle.
This would almost certainly leave current owners out to dry. Would an exchange program be offered?
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This would almost certainly leave current owners out to dry. Would an exchange program be offered?
I wouldn't expect that to be the case if they were to make a "third generation" with differing functionality based on the previous first to second generation transition (when these changes were introduced back in 2020).
If this was to take place on their end, it would be quite awhile before they would be available for purchase as a "third generation" honestly. Probably an early 2023 timeframe.
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So let me see if I understand this correctly. You would need to do a light tap of the brakes, release, and then another light tap of the brakes, all within what, 1-2 sec., for this to occur? If this is the case, it seems to me that this is not a normal emergency braking maneuver that you all seem to now be leery of with these tail lights. In most (all?) emergency braking situations I've ever required, it was a HARD on the brakes situation.

The only time I see the need for a tap-off-tap of the brakes is in a brake check scenario, and you shouldn't be doing that anyway.

Also, does this affect the third brake light as well, or does this light up normally?
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