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Old Jun 14, 2024 | 09:50 PM
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Just wondering why my c6 doesn't really have a "cold start". Car can sit for days & after starting doesn't idle up like normal to get the cats up to temp. Should I be looking at IAT sensor or coolant temperature sensor? Or is this normal on the ls2 to not have a cold start? I am new to the ls family so not sure if this is normal. I do have a cat back & I have not had the pleasure of hearing this thing cold start. Any ideas are appreciated
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It should. I haven’t seen a car that doesn’t,
Could the car have been tuned prior and maybe the tuner removed the cold start enrichment and idle up? Seems illogical, but spit balling.

I would venture to guess your iacv determines this rpm ramp up for a cold start.
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I do not know if it's been tuned by previous owners. The last guy that had it wasn't really into cars that much so I highly doubt he did anything to it. I don't really know why someone would tune that out but leave the cats on. It does have a cat back system & I've seen the cats. I'll have to look into the idle air control valve. Probably cheap enough to just replace.
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My LS3 cold starts and immediately settles at 650 rpm, to the best that I can read the tac. There’s no fast idle. Same when I’ve run it for hours. No difference in start up idle.
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My LS3 cold starts and immediately settles at 650 rpm, to the best that I can read the tac. There’s no fast idle. Same when I’ve run it for hours. No difference in start up idle.
is it always 80+* where you live?
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Originally Posted by Choisc6
Just wondering why my c6 doesn't really have a "cold start". Car can sit for days & after starting doesn't idle up like normal to get the cats up to temp. Should I be looking at IAT sensor or coolant temperature sensor? Or is this normal on the ls2 to not have a cold start? I am new to the ls family so not sure if this is normal. I do have a cat back & I have not had the pleasure of hearing this thing cold start. Any ideas are appreciated
The only "cold start" would be the ECT sensor...the colder it is the ECM will increase injector pulse width...what do you expect to hear on a cold start ???...if you have a scan tool look at your ECT after the car sits overnight...ECT and ambient temperature should be fairly close to one another...look at global or generic OBD2...the temperature you will see will be what the ECM is seeing...there is something called "substituted values" which is like a default value that the ECM may use if the sensor is reading incorrectly...it can't use these substituted values in Global OBD2.

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is it always 80+* where you live?
In Toronto? Hardly. As it happens, here is a pic from right after I started the car the other day. Ambients were around 65° IIRC at that point. And I’ve started it a few times at 40° and no difference.


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Originally Posted by C5 Diag
The only "cold start" would be the ECT sensor...the colder it is the ECM will increase injector pulse width...what do you expect to hear on a cold start ???...if you have a scan tool look at your ECT after the car sits overnight...ECT and ambient temperature should be fairly close to one another...look at global or generic OBD2...the temperature you will see will be what the ECM is seeing...there is something called "substituted values" which is like a default value that the ECM may use if the sensor is reading incorrectly...it can't use these substituted values in Global OBD2.
Id expect it to act like any other car on the market when you start it at ambient temperature of 40-60 degrees. Idle up around 12 to 1500 rpms to get the cats up to temp for emissions. Just want to hear the exhaust when I start her up after a coupe days.
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Originally Posted by Choisc6
Id expect it to act like any other car on the market when you start it at ambient temperature of 40-60 degrees. Idle up around 12 to 1500 rpms to get the cats up to temp for emissions. Just want to hear the exhaust when I start her up after a coupe days.

Its not going to happen. The ECM is not going make it idle any faster than needed.
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My LS3 cold starts and immediately settles at 650 rpm, to the best that I can read the tac. There’s no fast idle. Same when I’ve run it for hours. No difference in start up idle.
do you think that's odd? I've owned so many cars from imports to domestics. Maserati to Honda. Every single motor whether v8 v6 or i4 have warm up periods for the catalytic converters. Even in the summer when temperatures are 100 here in northern Indiana. They all had warm up periods.
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Maybe up slightly around 800rpm at start. Certainly not ever over 1k.
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Originally Posted by Choisc6
do you think that's odd? I've owned so many cars from imports to domestics. Maserati to Honda. Every single motor whether v8 v6 or i4 have warm up periods for the catalytic converters. Even in the summer when temperatures are 100 here in northern Indiana. They all had warm up periods.
Well, it’s certainly different than our Subaru which does fast idle around 1200 for maybe a minute when it’s cold. I hadn’t really thought about it until this thread, but now I’ll make sure my recollections are correct when I next start it.
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Maybe up slightly around 800rpm at start. Certainly not ever over 1k.
This is exactly what mine does. It settles down to 650 rpm pretty quickly, though.
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This is mine on a cold start, the initial sound is loader than normal but quickly settles to normal idle. That is not smoke in the video, but steam from condensation in the exhaust.

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This is exactly what mine does. It settles down to 650 rpm pretty quickly, though.
cold starts are almost non existent in the summer.
When it’s warm mine barely does it. When it’s cooler it will do it and for longer when cold.
it all runs off the ect sensor if memory serves
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It should. I haven’t seen a car that doesn’t,
Could the car have been tuned prior and maybe the tuner removed the cold start enrichment and idle up? Seems illogical, but spit balling.

I would venture to guess your iacv determines this rpm ramp up for a cold start.
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I do not know if it's been tuned by previous owners. The last guy that had it wasn't really into cars that much so I highly doubt he did anything to it. I don't really know why someone would tune that out but leave the cats on. It does have a cat back system & I've seen the cats. I'll have to look into the idle air control valve. Probably cheap enough to just replace.
Please post a picture and part no. for a C6 IACV.
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Please post a picture and part no. for a C6 IACV.
I am going to assume you are being a smartass for the guys that know cars, just don’t know LS engines.

You could have just said LS engines do not have an iacv.
Any other car the iacv coupled with the ect sensor would control this feature.
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I love my 2013 GS my cold start (FBO)..made my 79 year old mother jump when she was standing next to it in the garage and I started it up for her (she was visiting from out-of-state and it was her first time seeing my car). Wish I had got that on video.

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Originally Posted by MARSC6
Maybe up slightly around 800rpm at start. Certainly not ever over 1k.
Ditto.
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