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Old Sep 4, 2003 | 07:19 AM
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.....motors for the pop up head lights on the C5 weigh? How much weight will be saved going to the fixed HID lights?
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Old Sep 4, 2003 | 07:25 AM
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.....motors for the pop up head lights on the C5 weigh? How much weight will be saved going to the fixed HID lights?
Not much. I've had my assemblies out, but I didn't weigh them. I'd say about 20 lbs total, but that's just a guesstimate. Converted to HP, that's like adding 2.5 in terms of acceleration. I'm sure it's also good for altering weight balance and polar moment.
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Old Sep 4, 2003 | 07:44 AM
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It will also save a lot of headaches when you don't have to take them in when the motors fail...

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Old Sep 4, 2003 | 11:36 AM
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HIDs must be aimed with more precision than yesterday's wimpy headlights. This is more difficult with a headlight assembly that moves.

Also, popups anchor the styling. A midlife restyle becomes prohibitively expensive. And changing popups to fixed lights during a restyle is always awkward -- see 3000GT, NSX.

I love hidden headlamps, but I understand the economic reasons for their demise. I hope the stylists are sensitive to the issue and don't deliver a trendy bug-eyed big-glass look.

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Old Sep 4, 2003 | 12:10 PM
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Great points, Jinx. I certainly hope that GM is taking the styling of the headlights very seriously - they might make or break it aesthetically.

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.....motors for the pop up head lights on the C5 weigh? How much weight will be saved going to the fixed HID lights?

Not much. I've had my assemblies out, but I didn't weigh them. I'd say about 20 lbs total, but that's just a guesstimate. Converted to HP, that's like adding 2.5 in terms of acceleration. I'm sure it's also good for altering weight balance and polar moment.
But when you put the new headlights in, some of that weight comes back, although less.

I think that the pop-up headlights, like Jinx said, more for economic reasons. They're more expensive, bulky, and non-aerodynamic.
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Old Sep 4, 2003 | 05:54 PM
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A little weight here, a little weight there...it all adds up. :yesnod:
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20 lb is a HUGE amount when it comes to weight reduction in cars! :yesnod:
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Yeah, twenty pounds is a lot. And it's a lot more than the popup headlights add.
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Yeah, twenty pounds is a lot. And it's a lot more than the popup headlights add.
Like I said, it was a guesstimate. It was also on the high side and didn't take into account the weight of replacement lights. :cheers:
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Dateline Detroit, MI. January 30, 2004

This morning the VP of Marketing for General Motors announced the corporation's response to the growing number of Corvette owners who are becoming comatose at the replacement of the popular popup headlights with new modern, light weight, higher visibility fixed headlight system in the sixth generation of the Corvette. Although the design of the new car has opened to rave reviews, a few cultists are having severe emotional problems dealing with the change.

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Though no one has yet died from this debilitating condition, several have been confined to their homes where they sit in the floor all day long and repeatedly turn the crank on Jack-In-the-Box toys and giggle when the flap opens and clown pops up.
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HIDs must be aimed with more precision than yesterday's wimpy headlights. This is more difficult with a headlight assembly that moves.
I would assume also this would allow in the future the headlights to move left or right
a little when turning to give better visibility. I think BMW has this technology as an option
in some '04 models.

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