So, does it piss you off?
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So, does it **** you off?
Now that we know that they do not plan to put the Hi Po engine in the Coupe or 'Vert, are you pissed off?
Now with the C5, at least they had the excuse that they had to do something to get people to buy the HT, but with the clean-sheet design of the C6 body they have no such excuse.
I know I'm pissed. We ALL know Jinx is pissed. :hat: But what about the rest of you?
Now with the C5, at least they had the excuse that they had to do something to get people to buy the HT, but with the clean-sheet design of the C6 body they have no such excuse.
I know I'm pissed. We ALL know Jinx is pissed. :hat: But what about the rest of you?
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Scissors)
It's absolutely assinine of GM to continue to not offer a high performance package in a Vert or Coupe as an OPTION. How difficult is that? GM would make much more money with this option instead of only offering it in the FRC. If the FRC sales tank, so be it! Customer demand has always decided the fate of cars. :rolleyes:
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Zivnuska)
Dave Hill referenced the C5-R successes as reason not to significantly upgrade the HP ratings in the 06 Z6 when comparing it to a Viper.
First of all, there is nothing stock about the C5-R vehicle. The components are not available to the public. I would pay a premium for a C5-R bodied vehicle. However, Pratt & Miller do not sell body parts etc.
While some drivers take their vehicles to a track, most do not...but substantial number of Corvette owners do want to own a very fast car. (even if they never street race it)
Vert's and Coupes buyers need to have Z06 options.
First of all, there is nothing stock about the C5-R vehicle. The components are not available to the public. I would pay a premium for a C5-R bodied vehicle. However, Pratt & Miller do not sell body parts etc.
While some drivers take their vehicles to a track, most do not...but substantial number of Corvette owners do want to own a very fast car. (even if they never street race it)
Vert's and Coupes buyers need to have Z06 options.
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Sanctuary)
I really don't understand why people get so mad about this. It makes perfect sense to me that they would not offer the HP engine on the coupe or 'vert. They would NOT make more money this way, because no one would buy the more expensive version if they could have just the HP engine in the regular body style. I guarantee you that they would lose money, big money.
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (GDP)
I really don't understand why people get so mad about this. It makes perfect sense to me that they would not offer the HP engine on the coupe or 'vert. They would NOT make more money this way, because no one would buy the more expensive version if they could have just the HP engine in the regular body style. I guarantee you that they would lose money, big money.
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Doughan)
How can GM lose money when they only build when they have an order in hand? If there is no order, you don't build it.
Besides if one model doesn't sell well it doesn't look good for the company.
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Sanctuary)
Probably marketing is saving something for future excitement if we whine enough.
Year 1. New model intro
Year 2. Z06 Intro
Year 3. 42v electrics
Year 4. Power boost for Coupe and Vert
Year 5. Corvette branded SUV intro (kidding...only kidding...)
Year 1. New model intro
Year 2. Z06 Intro
Year 3. 42v electrics
Year 4. Power boost for Coupe and Vert
Year 5. Corvette branded SUV intro (kidding...only kidding...)
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Scissors)
The ZO6 is all about being extreme and without compromise. I think it should stay the performance king in the vette herd, and not diluted with worse aerodynamics, increased weight, less rigidity, and ESPECIALLY a slushbox. It's this that makes me like it so much more than the coupe and vert despite the less sexy lines. So no, not pissed at all... I'm just hoping I can afford one in a few years.
[Modified by Kevin93, 6:51 PM 9/4/2003]
[Modified by Kevin93, 6:51 PM 9/4/2003]
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Kevin93)
The ZO6 is all about being extreme and without compromise. I think it should stay the performance king in the vette herd, and not diluted with worse aerodynamics, increased weight, less rigidity, and ESPECIALLY a slushbox. It's this that makes me like it so much more than the coupe and vert despite the less sexy lines. So no, not pissed at all... I'm just hoping I can afford one in a few years.
So the Z06 is about no compromise. That's great. But I don't want that. I want a sports car that is affordable and has the best performance it can give while still having the sky open above me.
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (BlackRiderX)
Depends on the Power of the Vert and Coupe. If Ford's Cobra is still ahead of them .... :leaving:
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Sanctuary)
What's more is the C5-R body is based on the Coupe, NOT the Hardtop/Z06 :rolleyes:
The hatch window of the coupe is (for me) what makes the best asthetic lines of the three models. (That's a terrible sentence, but I think you know what I'm driving at.)
The Coupe Is King! It should have EVERY OPTION available.
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Kevin93)
[QUOTE]The ZO6 is all about being extreme and without compromise. I think it should stay the performance king in the vette herd, and not diluted with worse aerodynamics, increased weight, less rigidity, and ESPECIALLY a slushbox. It's this that makes me like it so much more than the coupe and vert despite the less sexy lines. So no, not pissed at all... I'm just hoping I can afford one in a few years.
I totally agree except with the "less sexy lines" part. IMO the FRC IS the sexy C5! :thumbs: :smash:
I totally agree except with the "less sexy lines" part. IMO the FRC IS the sexy C5! :thumbs: :smash:
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Doughan)
It's absolutely assinine of GM to continue to not offer a high performance package in a Vert or Coupe as an OPTION. How difficult is that? GM would make much more money with this option instead of only offering it in the FRC. If the FRC sales tank, so be it! Customer demand has always decided the fate of cars. :rolleyes:
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (tavery)
Dave Hill referenced the C5-R successes as reason not to significantly upgrade the HP ratings in the 06 Z6 when comparing it to a Viper.
First of all, there is nothing stock about the C5-R vehicle. The components are not available to the public. I would pay a premium for a C5-R bodied vehicle. However, Pratt & Miller do not sell body parts etc.
While some drivers take their vehicles to a track, most do not...but substantial number of Corvette owners do want to own a very fast car. (even if they never street race it)
Vert's and Coupes buyers need to have Z06 options.
First of all, there is nothing stock about the C5-R vehicle. The components are not available to the public. I would pay a premium for a C5-R bodied vehicle. However, Pratt & Miller do not sell body parts etc.
While some drivers take their vehicles to a track, most do not...but substantial number of Corvette owners do want to own a very fast car. (even if they never street race it)
Vert's and Coupes buyers need to have Z06 options.
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Kevin93)
The Z06 should be about no-compromises performance. It should not be about holding back the coupe and convertible.
Holding the convertible back is particularly harsh. It's an affront to Corvette's glorious past.
The Z06 will be lighter, and it'll have better tires, quicker gears, and a suspension that maximizes quickness at the expense of some comfort. It will never be bested by the stock coupe and convertible on the track, even if all three use the same engine.
What is GM afraid of? Offering the big motor in the coupe and convertible is the closest thing to printing money. They could charge a $5,000 or $6,000 premium and they'd get it with barely a raised eyebrow. It'd lower the volume of the Z06, but it'd hardly kill it. They could charge $8,000 and plenty of folks would still check the box. God forbid they have to key engine queueing on the production line to a different line item.
But in the spirit of the Life of Brian, an LS7 out of a crate and into a coupe will be all the more stealthy. And the insurance will be lower, too.
.Jinx
Holding the convertible back is particularly harsh. It's an affront to Corvette's glorious past.
The Z06 will be lighter, and it'll have better tires, quicker gears, and a suspension that maximizes quickness at the expense of some comfort. It will never be bested by the stock coupe and convertible on the track, even if all three use the same engine.
What is GM afraid of? Offering the big motor in the coupe and convertible is the closest thing to printing money. They could charge a $5,000 or $6,000 premium and they'd get it with barely a raised eyebrow. It'd lower the volume of the Z06, but it'd hardly kill it. They could charge $8,000 and plenty of folks would still check the box. God forbid they have to key engine queueing on the production line to a different line item.
But in the spirit of the Life of Brian, an LS7 out of a crate and into a coupe will be all the more stealthy. And the insurance will be lower, too.
.Jinx
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Re: So, does it **** you off? (Jinx)
The FRC never had the "look" for me. I just don't think that notchback roof line blended all that well with the lower voluptuous body lines.
That being said, I don't understand why the FRC couldn't have the lines of the fastback. Honda did this with the NSX. The NSX coupes are more desirable for performance wonks because of their stiffer bodies and lighter weight. The NSX-Ts are a bit heavier and the cowl shimmies a bit on the track. To each his own.
When Honda built their performance models of the NSX (i.e. Zanardi NSX) they started off with the coupe and not the T.
Chevy could do the same thing. Offer the Z06 as a fixed-roof fastback. If they needed something else, I'm sure they could add a fancy hood or unique colors or vents.
It would save money too. No need to have 3 completely different roof designs.
-Jim
That being said, I don't understand why the FRC couldn't have the lines of the fastback. Honda did this with the NSX. The NSX coupes are more desirable for performance wonks because of their stiffer bodies and lighter weight. The NSX-Ts are a bit heavier and the cowl shimmies a bit on the track. To each his own.
When Honda built their performance models of the NSX (i.e. Zanardi NSX) they started off with the coupe and not the T.
Chevy could do the same thing. Offer the Z06 as a fixed-roof fastback. If they needed something else, I'm sure they could add a fancy hood or unique colors or vents.
It would save money too. No need to have 3 completely different roof designs.
-Jim