phantasms

tracks? You mean highways?


actually talked today about setting something up (poconos..not 1/4 mile) . We'll see.

Delta3-2

Dodge Viper ? American ? Maybe once but it's now a German company !

I'm sure readers will correct me if I'm wrong !

Dan

keagan

note to self, need to become phantasm's friend! Dude do u have ne more pics of ur car like the last set u had posted?? Damn man, can i b ur friend?? plz!!! Cant wait for ur videos!! Im sure ull post them over at Svt, z06, dc. ill keep an eye out for ya just plz let us knw! By the way do u have videos of u against an f430 or ne other exotic??

TTRotary

Your frustration is understandable, but you have to realize one important thing: the magazines don't own the cars they test, so thay can beat on them all day long to get the best time. If it breaks, it ain't their problem. The 997 CS has ALL the weight over the rears on launch and they can sidestep the clutch at 5K rpm or whatever it takes to get the number. Being R&T, they will try and try to get the best P-car # possible. But it is not just R&T. C&D also got similar times out of the 997CS.

Likewise, half the internet crap is just that: crap. Unless it has a timeslip, it ain't worth SH*t. The only person on here I believe is Ranger, who has painstakingly documented each and every pass. Then again, he is exceptionally gifted. Just because he or John Heinricy can could get sub-4sec 0-60 for the C5 Z06 doesn't mean any of the rest of us can get anywhere close to that.

The sad truth for 90% of us is that if we line up against a CL600 or CL55, or E55 on the street, the guy in the Benz will waste our *** to 60, plain and simple. In fact, I would bet that 90% of C6 Z06 drivers who line up against an A6 Z51 C6 will lose to 60 and probably to 100. Yeah, that's right. If you don;t believe me, let's try it. I'll happily eat crow on here if I'm wrong.

Rather than focus on numbers, let's focus on the fact that these are awesome cars at any price and are the best in the world when price is an object (which again, in the real world it is). The F430 IS a better car than the Z06, but then again it should be. That said, it is about the only one. I can buy a 997 CS or a C6. I chose the C6 because it is simply better. The bonus was that with all the money I saved, I went out and got myself a Radical SR3. Frankly, I feel sorry for Porsche because they cannot produce a good car at a reasonable price. That is too bad, because it means that company will eventually go out of business.

Pitzi

Ehm, have to disagree with that E55 comment

had a go against one in my M3 CSL and wasted hbis *** till 160+, then he passed me like I was standing still

Honestly, no Mercedes Benz I can think of except the SL65AMG will even hang on to a Z06

dietrich

I agree these results not consistant with other tests I see. Z06 should be faster from roll. On track result - top gear they run both cars with run flat tyres and Z06 do 1.22.4, F430 1.22.9. No test for 997 Turbo yet. But I get bored of these number comparison all the time. I not drag race and better driver will win on race track. Buy car you like best is my opinion.

charltom

Conceivably, just conceivably, these tests reflect relative performance in the hands of non-specialist drivers. I can quite believe, for instance, that AWD will help a non-racer round a track faster, even if a racer might get a better result with a different car. AWD is just one such example.

That doesn't mean that none of us can learn to drive OUR car like a racer...!

bernrex

Do any CGT vs ZO6 vids exist ? Also FGT vs Z would be nice.

Either roll-ons or 1/4 ones ..... Links please.

I've got several friends with FGT's .... but, they are treating them like garage queens. I can't get them to run my turbo vette.

dietrich

Stock Z06 will not beat CGT unless CGT driver is drunk.

Steve Theodore

I was definitely with you until you got to this statement. Porsche is a specialty car manufacturer, and is also very profitable year after year. They don't have this to worry about, at least not in the short/medium term...as demand remains very strong for their products. Remember they do not mass produce on the level of the big 3, etc.

Steve T.

Onerareviper

The Viper is 100% hand built by skilled craftsman at the Conner Plant in Detroit by American workers. It is the only car built in that plant (the Prowler used to be). Parts are all American. It has been done this way since 1989 when the Viper prototype was introduced. In my eyes, this makes it an American car. On the other hand, many US based auto companies outsource there production to Mexico, Canada, etc..., or use Japanese motors/parts, etc... So let's 'keep it real'.... The Viper is as American as they come.

Onerareviper

I read thru about 40 magazines per month. Seriously, I go to Borders Book Store once a month and read thru the entire automotive section of the newstand. All the US magazines, all the Euro mags, Japanese, etc... ALL OF THEM. Takes about 4 hours. I've gotten good at skipping the BS and non-performance car articles.

That being said, the ONLY major magazines I have found to be 'somewhat' credible are Motortrend + Car & Driver. Some smaller venues are equally credible (if not more) - Grass Roots Racing comes to mind. Of the least credible mags, Road & Track ranks right up there with many Euro rags. Seriously, if you truly know the facts and have driven some of the cars they speak of, there opinion becomes laughable.

ALMS21

They cannot produce a good car at a reasonable price? Are you f'ing kidding me? If they are so bad then please explain to me how they are the most profitable auto manufacturer out there today. There are plenty of people buying Porsche (relative to what they produce) and their reputation/styling will ensure that it continues. Trust me, GM would go out of business (or acquired) before Porsche goes down the drain.

ALMS21

The Viper is built in America with American parts by American workers but because DC is a German company, the CAR is not an AMERICAN CAR?

Whereas the Pontiac GTO is built in Australia by Australians but because GM is based in America the GTO is an AMERICAN CAR?

Great logic

Bwright

Agreed. I love that avatar.

Oh, and send videos when you have them please. Thanks again for that tune from the Ford GT run. Have it on my iPod now.

Blocktrdr

A big reason Road and Track's times seem low is that they don't correct their times where the others do (unless somethin has changed recently.) People tend to ignore this fact when they start magazine racing. I just posted a video that will give a better idea how these cars compare on a real track. I was in a 430 Spider so ther is a bit of a performance penalty, but you can get the idea.

P.S. at least on a road course, the Carrera GT is noticeably faster than the other cars mentioned here.

32valves

results are not in order.....GT won 0-60, 0-100, 0-100-0 (this is the same much abused press car featured in almost every article.

phantasms

Photos from the run are up.

http://www.ferrarili.com/events_page...rmill_2006.htm

I'm the young unshaven guy with the dumb hat.


Search around and you'll see vids of mine. I used to have a Blue Z06 with black rims.